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Another issue with my F2F meeting!!!! (LONG)


I went last night to my F2F meeting because it had been several weeks (holidays).  When I got there it was obvious that it was the alateen meeting night, 1 a month is alateen.  As most of you know I am TOTALLY alone here no friends no family.  I have been having problems with my daughter's school and had a meeting scheduled for last week.  My sponsor agreed to go but had a dr. appt so I asked another member of the group and he agreed - then cancelled on me the night before.  Soooooo, I rescheduled the meeting for Friday and asked the guy if he could go and he didn't know.  Then I asked my sponsor and she said, "No, sorry, My sponsor told me I shouldn't".  Now the dynamics of this group are:  The ring leader who always has a sour look on her face (My sponsor's sponsor and also her best friend), My sponsor, an elderly couple, and the math guy.  This is the regular group. 


Now I have felt that the ring leader does not particularly care for me for a while.  The first night I came she loaned me a book and I gave it back that night.  About a month ago my sponsor said that she had asked her to tell me that she needed it back and I told her I gave it back that night.  The next week at the meeting the lady herself asked for it back and I told her that I told my sponsor I gave it back that night and she gave me a foul look.  I had misplaced my book and didn't have it for several meetings.  Then at the Christmas party I had my book and she asked me if she could borrow it so to avoid BS I said sure and she pretended like she was reading it and flipped thru it - WHAT AM I AN IDIOT???  Like I don't know what she's doing.  And now this!


Anyway, here's my problem.  These people were the only thing that I had that were even REMOTELY close to friends and when I left the meeting I was crying, sobbing really and feeling sorry for myself and wondering why I stay in the God Awful place!!!  I had found out earlier that I needed to go to a conference out of town for work and had no one to watch my kids and was hoping to ask one of them or their relatives and turns out that the big alanon roundup is the same weekend. So all hope of that was shot too and I thought... I can't even get someone to watch my kids so I can do my job, I don't have any friends, nobody here gives a crap about me or my kids, and it's pretty much all true.  The realization hit that I am TOTALLY alone!  I have NOBODY!  Then as I was walking around the grocery store after the meeting a spark hit me and I remembered my daughter's friend from the area we used to live closer to the beach.  I am picking her up Friday and I thought her mom might actually do this!  So I called.  She's taking the day off work so she can keep my kids overnight AND when I told her how I was feeling she said that she has a group of friends that she would be happy to introduce me to and they go out once a week!  I felt so hopeful.


I had been thinking about moving back to this area and just commuting to work because I hate the school here so much, and she is a mail carrier and was going to be looking out for houses for me.  I think this might be a sign that my family would be better off back by the beach.  People are much more open minded there and my daughter loved the school.  Then I called my realtor friend and left a crying message on her voicemail about the meeting I have to go to at the school and she called back this morning saying she might be able to go.


So I worked everything out.


But I still have ill feelings about my alanon group and am very seriously thinking about just quitting.  They obviously have no love for me or at least the ring leader doesn't and the group is so small there's nowhere to turn.  I have been somewhat unhappy with my sponsor anyway.  I know it's not supposed to be like that but it is and I'm really not strong enough to stand up to the controllers!  It's easier to walk away and find another group.


I did call my sponsor after talking to my daughter's friend's mom and I told her that I was really upset when I left (I didn't let them see me cry) and that I wanted to know why.  Why this was an issue.  And she said she didn't know and she would ask her sponsor, something about mixing alanon and personal stuff and I thought her sponsor is her best friend and does everything with her.  I told her I thought that was how it was supposed to be.


I'm very unhappy with them.  I never did confront the queen about her examination of my book rather than just taking my word for it - she scares me.  I'm so frustrated!  I'm thinking now that I should move and try to find another meeting when I go and just give up on this one.


Looking forward to your ideas on this!



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 For one thing I would talk personally and privately to your grandsponsor. One thing I know is that I thought for a long time that people in my home group didn't like me, a specific few, and today I know that while that isn't necessarily true, the bottom line is that the peopel I was worried about 1) have terrible mental health issues that color their view of the world so severely that it makes it look completely different than what it really is; 2) their progress in the program, no matter how long they've been here is so stalled, so slow, that they're missing the point of being here; remember how I always say you get out of this program what you put into it? at a certain point, it's become clear that the desire to grow has evaporated from these people, and their discomfort with life has just dominated them, just paralyzed them.


 I would also begin going to open AA meetings, keeping in mind that there are people in these meetings that have many many al anon issues. Remember, this is a major reason why people quit al anon: politics, ego, and the consistent non desire to grow.


  I would ask for a group conscience. As a home group member, you have a right to ask that the group take a 4th step inventory and see where growth is necessary. Is it possible that public out reach is necessary? Is it possible that the group has become so nuclear that lack of growth is causing stagnation?


 If you have not yet done written step work, you are well over due to do so. PATHS TO RECOVERY has excellent questions to jump start journaling and exploration on each step and tradition, which will bring you and your sponsor closer. The only rule is no censoring allowed. Only by through exploration may one grow.


  See if it is possible to take on an outside service commitment in the name of al anon. does the group have a Group Service Representative? If not, sign up. does the group have an Intergroup representative? if not, sign up. What about a representative for the prisons and institutions committee? Sign up. If there is no opportunities in the al anon comunity, try without the al anon community; within churches, food banks, the red cross, the womens shelters. 


 Lastly, madme. as a social worker, apply some of the tools you use for your clients to yourself. What tools within the community do you qualify for? what co workers can you ask for help from? never be afraid to ask for help and be humble enough to accept it.



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Girly,


I have been down all of this.  I really don't want to stir the pot with this group.  I think the elderly couple feel the same as I.  The math guy could go either way and as for my sponsor and her sponsor - I'm just pretty fed up.  I don't feel I'm growing as a result of this group, I get more from this board.  I think I'd rather move and find a larger group that I can feel comfortable with.


People in this group are afraid to speak out against this woman!  It's obvious.

There are no tools in this community... my coworkers are not interested!  I have asked people to go to lunch till I'm blue in the face.  The one time they said yes I went to the bathroom and they left without me.  I'm telling you this is not a normal place!!!

-- Edited by carolinagirl at 09:54, 2007-01-09

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 Well, I respect that. I can see why you would be afraid of causing problems where they don't exist. But also, is living in fear worth the fury? After all, look at what it's costing you.


 Your recovery is worth more than that. And besides, think about this: there's gonna come down the road someone that's gonna need this meeting. And if nothing changes in this group, they're gonna be in deep.


 True story from my own life: I went to an ACA meeting for awhile, and I noticed quickly that a selected few controlled everything. The same treasurer for 5 years. No group conscience for 10. No IGR, GSR no nothing. So guess what? I change things.


 I first asked why it was that our group had no clear guidelines for our chair person. Well there were guidelines, the 5 year treasuer said indignantly, in the book. Did any of the new comers know about this? I asked; Well, no, he conceded. Then we're not carrying the message, I said.


 I then asked why it was that we had no IGR or GSR. We DO have a IGR and a GSR the 5 year treasurer said, I do it! When was the last time you were at a meeting? I asked. Well, he said, embarrassed, not for a few years. So why are you still doing it if you cant? I asked. He then abdicated the position. (I understand that group rotates those two positions every two years as is recommended in the handbook.)


 I then asked why it was that he had been treasurer for 5 years. Because I'm good at it! He said. Well, I've been here close to 6 months, and we've never had a treasurers report, I said. WEll, why does that matter, He said, indigant. All of the sudden, Quiet Mary (Never said A THING in the meetings) said Richard, that always bothered me. I've waited for 5 years, and I've always wondered where the money went. You've never said a THING about it.


 I understand that position is now rotated too.


 That meeting was 10 people.


 Now it's standing room only.


 It is your job to make a meeting healthy if it is unhealthy. Make some enemies. Be your own best friend.


 "When anyone any where reaches out, I want the hand of al anon to always be there. And for that I AM RESPONSIBLE."


 Don't take that lightly, CG



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Ok Tiger,


But here's my dilemma, like I said before these people are the closest thing I have to friends and if I speak out of turn I jeopardize that.  I have been trying to make other friends but it's so complicated!  I guess I don't want to lose what little bit of friendship there is.  I'm also not very confrontational at all it makes me ill!  I do it when I have to.  I have 2 sort of friends out of this meeting which is better than zero at all friends!  I guess if I am considering leaving it would be better to raise hell before I go and maybe something will change?  u got me thinking anyway I really don't feel free to speak at the meeting a lot of times for various reasons.  I wish I knew how to handle this better and was brave like you!



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Sometimes, CG, we must admit that a thing has not worked out, and move one. There is not much sense in continuing to try when you are so totally unhappy with these people in your AlAnon group. It is like beating your head against a wall and wondering why it hurts. And "sorting friends out" in the group is no answer. That sounds more like pitting some against others, and you must not do that. And it is obvious to me that you take personally every thing a person says or does that does not please you. Friendship is a give and take thing. We have to accept people for what they are and not attempt to change them to fit our mold of what a "friend" should be.

. Of course you want to take your friend up on her offer to introduce you to her circle of friends who get together once a week. Friends are there; but we must relax and allow a friendship to happen. Sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't. But you sound like you are trying to force friendships, and that makes some people a little nervous.

Read the lovely words of Desiderata, and you will have a clearer picture of how to get along. It may not be "AlAnon Approved Literature," but it is more meaningful than anything else I have ever read.

Take care, Diva

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Carolinagirl,


Please remember the following words are spoken in love, compassion and understanding -


Do you want change in your life?  Hey - nothing changes if nothing changes.  Do you want a healthier meeting?  Then you will probably have to do some work to make it a healthier meeting.  This is not only your "grandsponsor's meeting"  It is not only your meeting.  It is the entire groups meeting.  Everyone is responsible. 


This past Friday night our home group had a group inventory meeting.  Is it because we are having problems?  No, it is because we want to look at our assets & defects - to ensure our meeting stays on the Al-Anon Traditions.  That our primary purpose is to help the friends & families of alcoholics.  Maybe your home group should have a group inventory meeting. 


So do you want semi friends, semi recovery, semi serenity - or do you truly want to embrace a new way of life - let go of the anger, resentment, & guilt.  Our HP is wanting to give us the Extra-Large Bag of M & M's and we say "no, God, I'll just take a stick of gum" - Not anymore - I want the Bag of M & M's - the really good kind - the almonds - that large size from Sam's.  And now I know that it works if I work it - My HP will give me the benefits - may not be what I thought I wanted - but it will be better than I dreamed.


Carolinagirl, I hope that you will soon find the peace that you are seeking.


Love & Hugs,


Rita



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 CG, my good friend, unfortuneately Rita is right. Sometimes to see who your real friends are, you have to risk making enemies.


 Remember the ACA meeting I told you about? Well, shortly after I threw my hands in the air and said "I've had it! You people have been in this progam for 20+ years and you act like children! I quit!" people came back--IN DROVES. Word had gotten around to how "the old regieme had been thrown out, and how new people had been instituted.


 Beginners were bringing up topics--"Can you explain the disease concept? I'm still not getting how my father's sexually abusing me is okay because he's sick."


 Long termers were bringing meetings to rehabs--"I'm going to CADAS and the VA this week; I've already got one of my sponsees with me; I'd like to suggest that one of the beginners come too; usually we go out to ice cream after words. See me after the meeting."


 AND....THERE WERE TREASURERS REPORTS!


 You read that right. Even Quiet Mary got up the gumption to do service work, chairing a meeting, sharing, everything! (So the word on the street goes)


  NOT THAT THERE WERENT FALL OUTS! The "old regieme" rebelled, in fact. " Most, if not all, of the "core members"--as in, all the members that "liked things as they were" and "didn't care if things didn't change" have "quit the meeting," and "found other meetings." Which, having listened to them over time, is a more diplomatic way of saying "I've lost my enabler. I'm losing the people that aer giving me an excuse to not change, not grow and not be accountable."


 Now, THAT'S an al anon meeting ***I*** wanna be a part of. And that's an al anon meeting I want YOU to be a part of. 



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That's an alanon meeting I want to be a part of too but with only 6 adults including the 2 controllers plus the controller's kids what's the point?  Not trying to pit people against eachother by the way just trying to weigh whether the 1/2 @$$ed friendship and a crappy meeting is better than no friendship and no meeting.

-- Edited by carolinagirl at 15:10, 2007-01-09

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It seems to me that you have nothing to lose, by trying to make some changes. Fear of losing something that you don't want very much anyway is not the kind of fear a person has to let stop her.

I would suggest starting with your sponsor - just say to her some of the things you are saying to us. There should not be a 'ringleader' in alanon, and everyone there knows it. If you challenge it, it may very well fall apart.

One of the reasons that the friendships you have made there are only "1/2 @$$ed" may be because you are not being honest with these people. You are trying to be what they want, rather than what you are. You've already done that with the A, look where it got you. There is no value to a friendship which is based on you being afraid to say what you think.

You are a member of alanon. This is your meeting as much as it is their's, no matter how long they have been there. Your recovery, something you want and deserve, depends on there being a healthy meeting. Take what steps you can to start to make it feel more 'yours' - I'd suggest offering to chair. With such a small group (my meeting was about that size when I started) it is not too scary, you get to pick the readings and the topic.

Certainly, if there is another meeting somewhere nearby that you can go to instead, gie it a try to see if you like it, but if this is your only option, please don't let them take it from you without a fight.

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 Well, there is always that VERY old saying to consider when considering making a decision of the weight of this one: "Ships in the harbor ARE safe, but such is the purpose of a ship."


 Al anon meetings ARE social, but such is not the purpose of an al anon meeting.


 You can always take a vacation from THIS meeting, go to others, go to open AA meetings.



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carolinagirl wrote:


But here's my dilemma, like I said before these people are the closest thing I have to friends and if I speak out of turn I jeopardize that.




Those aren't friends.

We come to Alanon so we won't have to walk on eggshells. If we have to walk on eggshells at Alanon, something is wrong.

Whenever a meeting loses (or fails to gain) something of a critical mass, then a handful or less of people assume "power" or at least they think they do. They do it out of necessity to keep the group going, but in the process, prevent it from growing or changing.

If this is the only f2f group within reach for you, I'm with Tiger.

Barisax

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