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Taking Frustrations out on Kids...Advice? Experience?


I work 4 days a week and every day that I am at work my kids are home alone for about 2 1/2 hours destroying my house.  Every night when I get home I am yelling at them because I am so angry that my house is dirty and sometimes when they try to clean it's still never enough.  I spend EVERY weekend cleaning!  I'm fed up and sick to death of it!  I am tired of being angry with my children - especially the oldest one - she's 12.  I'm tired of cleaning every weekend just to have all the work destroyed in minutes!  I'm at a loss as to what to do!  I know that I am harboring a LOT of bitterness that I have to be a single mom and that everything is ON ME!  But I know that the 12 year old does a lot and gets no credit.  I want to stop screaming at them but I'm so angry that they can't take a few minutes to pick their things up and I'm sick of working 24/7.  I don't have anyone to help me with them AT ALL, I don't get out AT ALL, I am stressing on the bills.  I feel so overwhelmed!  I just want to be nice to them and I can't, I don't know what to do, I feel so stuck and guilty.



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What we used to do sounds silly,but it breaks the tension of coming home tired etc. We had backwards dinners. First dessert as soon as possible. Then a break to get organized, pick up, talk, even start homework and get supper together. Then a later than usual supper. The kids loved it because it was different and silly. I loved it because it gave me time to get it together. It means having something good for dessert like ice cream and we didn't do it everyday.


I feel for you. I was never a single mom, but I know how hard it is to go to work and come home to demanding kids especially with so many other worries.


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Wow, I just feel like you have told a big part of my own story with my children.


It helped me to realize, they have been through a lot themselves.  Even though they had a hard time living with my A, they were still creatures of habit.  My children are 2,7,and 10.  They are all really great kids and I take it for granted many times.


I do get very irritated with the house being destroyed.  Both the 7 and 10 year old room are completely out of control.  Toy box filled with trash, dirty clothes, clean clothes, school books, and possibly a few toys.  Then, factor in the corners of the room, dresser and underneath, closet, and under bed all look like this.  My 2 years old toys stay in the living room and now the two big kids have made it into an overwhelming mess just like their room.


They fight and bicker (spelling) non-stop.  The two years old is in the defiant phase and practicing death defying stunts on a regular basis.  I have seen cats get into less dangerous sitautions!


A lady at a f2f meeting was telling me one day that we have to detach from our children the same way we do the A.  We have to apply our programs to them as well.  It is ALL our affairs.  This is something I have been working on for about 6 months now, after being in the program since April 05.  There are days it is ODAT, or one second at a time.


I worked a lot on acceptance.  Accepting that my son moves at his own pace.  Accepting that my daughter is highly unorganized.


I work on expectations.  Lowering what it is I expect out of them because they are not me and they are children.  I cannot expect them to understand how hard it is to do it all.


I am 100% on their side and hold them accountable for the things they do and don't do.  Each day it gets a little calmer.  I still have my fits from time to time.  They are few and far between now.


I know how frustrating it is.  I don't have all the answers.  I wish I did.  I do know what has been working a great deal.


I listened to a speaker not too long ago.  She had 7 children and I bet she didn't have time to focus on each child's misbehavior.  She talked about having to go to a conference because of one of her kids misbehavior, after the meeting, she told the "child your a good kid, and I love you very much, knock it off with this business that you are doing at the school."  In that I heard detachment with love, and acceptance.  It just seemed so simple.  Simple to do, and so much more effective than my screaming and yelling.


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(((CG)))


Oh girl I know myself and my sis in law can empathize with you on this one.  My AH is working seven days a week and its tough doing it all on your own.  I know my sis in law spends a great deal of time yelling at the children to clean up and they're not going to do it the way we'd like it done.  I know for me when I don't spend any time on myself, ie. a hot bath, reading, walking, or what ever I need for at least a half hour an evening then I become very edgy and find myself getting worked up over stuff that really isn't that big of a deal. 


One suggestion I can offer is a rewards system with the kids.  Kids are not usually self-motivated to clean up their mess especially if you have generally taken over the duties for them.  They have learned to expect mommy to do it.  A daily chore chart is helpful and when the task gets done, the kids check it off.  The dollar tree has great stickers.  Everyday they complete their tasks they get a sticker.  At the end of the week maybe as a reinforcer they get to pick something to buy at the dollar store or make a batch of cookies, watch their favorite movie, have a friend over, go somewhere cheap or free.  The consequence for not cleaning up, they don't get the sticker or the fun during the weekend and they get to spend their free weekend time cleaning up.  You should not do it for them.  It won't be perfect... don't put the expectations that high on them.  Settle for them picking up the clothes, wiping off the bathroom, sweeping.  Stuff you know they can do.  Try it for seven days and see what happens.  One thing I have learned as soon as you change the game rules of the home don't be suprised if they balk a bit, but once they see you mean business and feel the rewards of keeping the home clean you may find it easier.  Good luck with that. 


Most importantly is for you to take care of you.  I know how hard it is to steal some time away for yourself.  A half hour a day can really make a difference for you... I promise. 


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I also am plauged by this issue!  I have an elderly mother who makes food and leaves her mess too!  My 5 yr old does not listen to my requests and I spend the greater part of my time with her yelling at her to get moving and to clean up.  There are a actually a few things I have found that are working. 


#1 A responsibility chart.  I know it sounds lame but she really enjoys being able to check off what she has done each day.  It also gives me the chance to put on paper what I expect to be done each day.  You can use a dry erase board for the chart.  Let the kids help you put their duties on the board.  People support what they help to create.  Kids need to take responsibility for chores early in life.


#2 If I have a screaming episode (mine usually ocur in the morning rush) I sit down with her and explain why mommy was so upset and what exactly she can do the next day to change this.  Then I tell her what the repercussions will be if she does not follow my instructions.  For example: If I have to tell her more than twice to get dressed or put shoes on.  This favorite toy will be gone when you get home from school.  Trust me you only have to throw out 1 or 2 and the message gets through.


#3 I got a sack of glass marbles and a glass jar.  Everytime she does what is expected of her I place a marble into the jar.  When the jar is filled we go to a movie or a fun place.  No rewards are given until the jar is full.  She just loves this one.


#4 Hire a cleaning lady.  I have one every two weeks and no I cannot afford it.  But I will give up food before I give up my cleaning person.  What is the point of working for a living if we have to spend every minute of our time off cleaning?


I also remember my mother spending years yelling at us.  It does no good.  It raises our blood pressure and ruins our day and the kids could really care less if you scream. 


 


Hope this helped a little....you sound just as overwhelmed as I am. 



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Carolina...I think Twinmom hit the nail on the head with her reply.

It does work! I did it with my kids when they were little.

In addition to giving them a sticker for each chore completed (and it should be completed without complaining) have a separate chart listing what those stickers are good for at the end of a week.

Ex:

1 sticker = bedtime snack for 1 night

2 stickers= stay up 15 minutes later than normal for 1 night

3 stickers=you get the picture...right?

Now, the further up the ladder you go with stickers, the better the prize.

Also...2 stickers could buy bedtime snack for 2 nights. It makes it fun for them to decide what they want to spend their stickers on.

I think they might really like it.

Gail

ps....you will have to make the sticker prizes age related.

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One thing you know for sure, Carolinagirl, is that screaming at them is not doing any good. It is only serving to make you more and more angry. Kids are kids; they go on their merry ways. Even though you work 4 days a week, perhaps you are expecting too much of these children. If the oldest is 12, I KNOW you are! Try sitting down with them, explaining that you are not going to scream at them any more, but that you do need some help from them. That you must work to keep the house going, and they must do their parts as well. Assign specific tasks to each one. But do not expect them to take over the running of the house in your absence; it isn't going to happen. Reward them for jobs well done. Is that bribing the kids? Probably so, but so what! Once they know exactly what you expect, perhaps things will go easier, especially if you begin by using a reward system.

I remember once when I was very small, my mother asked me to clean my bathroom. I cried and cried because I hadn't a clue how to clean a bathroom. The housekeepers always did that. No one showed me; just expected me to do it. It was futile...Maybe you need to show them how to do the chores you require of them.

Remember that healthy cooperation works wonders over yelling and screaming in attaining a goal.

Good luck to you. I've been there. It will pass.

Diva

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((((((((((((((((Carolinagirl)))))))))))))))))))))),


Oh I so have been there and am there at times.


Someone once told me that when the kids are grown and out of the house I will never say to myself, "If only I kept the house cleaner." Sure I want the house clean, but after working all day I am sooooooooo tired, and cleaning is the last thing I want to do.


My kids help, sure it isn't the way I would do it, but they live there to. I have a 7, 4(soon to be 5) and 3 year old. But they try. My 7 year old unloads the dishwasher, and the dishes don't always go where I want them, but hey that frees up some time for me. My 4 year old has little chores that she can do. The kids like to help out, and so they do. I figure start them out now and maybe I can get some help when they are older. Even my 3 year old has to help out.


My friends all know that I have young ones and that I work full time (and many of them know that my hubby is an active addict) so they don't expect me to when the tidiest house in the world award, and I don't expect the same from them.


What has also helped me is that I have asked myself OK, what rooms need to be clean in order for me to be okay. For me it is the kitchen and the bathrooms. If my kitchen is clean and sanitary, and the bathrooms are clean (especially the guest one which is hared with the kids) then I let the rest go.


Like someone (thank you for this I know who ya are) said in a meeting about the wonder woman syndrome getting in the way. I am not wonder woman, I am not super mom. I am just me, and my  kids aren't perfect, and my house isn't going to look the way I want it to. And mad mom isn't fun to live with and my kids deserve better. So I am working on letting it go.


Yours in recovery,


Mandy



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(((((Carolinagirl)))))


It looks like so many of us here either have this problem or have had this problem.  I am right there with you!  I have 3 children--my oldest is also 12, then 9, and 8.  I get so frustrated with not being able to walk to their beds in morning to wake them up!!!


I go through phases of the reward system thing--but consistency is my worst trait---I'm not!  I know it can work--my mother used it w/ my sisters and me. 


When things are not looking the way I want them to at my house--I get very frustrated w/ the kids, but then I have to think about how much I have been home or gone--the more I am away, the worse the house is---Not that that makes it o.k., just that means I wasn't there to stay on top of them to clean up the room, or put dirty clothes in basket (that kind of a thing).


Twinmom2 had great suggestions.  The rewards don't have to be monetary or toys.  They could be extra one on one time w/ mom, watching their favorite show, staying up lateer one night--things like that.


I think I will get back to giving it a shot with my kids!!


Good luck to you and your children!!!!


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Lots of great ideas here, I feel like I have tried them all, taking things, stickers, charts, treats, prizes, rewards and you know what they sneak out in the middle of the night while I'm sleeping and eat whatever they want (1 in particular).  They stuff all the clothes and junk into something and hide it so it looks clean and they get the reward and then I find it later.  They just don't seem to care about anything I take away and will do whatever they have to to get what they want regardless of spankings, items lost, spending weekends cleaning (our current thing) etc.  I kind of like the marble idea but i'm sure they would find a way to sneak marbles into the jar or play with the marbles and lose them all.  I don't understand how you can "detach" from your kids.  I think we should have the highest expectations of them, those are the most successful kids.  I do feel much less alone knowing everyone else here has a gaggle of kids too.  Mine are 12, 7 and one will be 5 next week by the way.

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Boy can I relate to that one.! I was a screamer too and thanks to a tape I was able to stop that and change my behavior .  Our kids are confused enough about whats going on in our homes and they sure don't need us ( the sane one supposedly) telling them they are loosers too.


I stayed in Al-Anon because of my sons , one 12- 15  luckily the group I joined first was focused on repairing the damage they  the non drinkers had done to thier kids , I had no problem with that one cause I knew I was one of them but like you  didn't know how to stop it.


I heard the line    ""  Pick it up and DON'T bitch  OR DON'Tt pick it up and DON'T  bitch. ""  that  little quote changed my house literally over nite.  I was determined to stop screaming  so I would come home and yeah the house was a mess as usuall but I bit my tounge and either put the stuff away myself or left it there for the culprit to put it away themselves but the important thing was that I didn't say a word. 


True  I almost bit my tounge off a couple of times but I shut up .  My kids were very confused like where did m om go for awhile . but the house calmed down I actually started to enjoy my kids again I learned to listen to them and they to me . - suprise suprise we are far more affective when calm.   I learned to sit them down and explain what I expected from them  (clean up etc ) and what would happen if they didn't do thier part.  there had to be a concequence .  hardest part was to be consistant .We don't do anything right the first time but since perfection is no longer required just keep trying.


And really  How Important Is IT  to have a clean house compared to a relationship with our children ?


Our kids deserve one sane parent . and when I arrived here it sure wasn't me. good luck caroline u can do  it . these kids are a most precious gift  and don't deserve what I had given them prior to getting here.


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Detach with LOVE.....I have to allow them to make mistakes for themselves.  Everyone has to learn somethings, not all things by doing it ourselves.  I have to detach with love enough to allow them the dignity to try things on their own.  Doesn't mean I am not there and ready to help when it is needed.


I cannot set high expectations of my children.  I cannot expect them to be perfect.  I encourage them to be all they can be with out expecting them to go grow up and just be that way.  I cannot expect their behavior or mine to happen over night.  I can ask them to do something as a parent.  If I do not have my expectations sitting so high, then why am I surprised when it doesn't get done?  Then, I hold them accountable for what they didn't do that I asked.  I have noticed, I am not screaming and yelling at them when I do hold them accountable.  Lowering the expectation for me, is easier on them and myself.


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I think the cleaning lady is a good idea.  I am feeling the maid over food thing right now.  I totally agree with the what's the point of working if you can't enjoy your weekends?  I scream and it still stays dirty I tried to quit swearing for a while, that didn't work either.  I have to work harder on biting my tongue and not screaming, cursing.  The last time I tried that I fell down crying on the floor over spilt milk or juice or something.  I know the saying...  It was just the last straw.  I think this is my only release of frustration and I don't know how else to get it out!!!

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What worked with us, so that I did not have to come home tired to a big mess and then have to make supper, etc, listen to them complain about each other, etc, was for me to decide what really mattered to me. There were a few simple rules - dirty dishes in the sink rather than all over the house, pop cans, candy wrappers, etc, in the garbage can. Toy and 'stuff' mess in their rooms, not the living room or kitchen. On shchool days when thye had been working hard too, that was all that was expected. On days when I had to work and they spent the day at home, they would each have one job -walk the dog, do one load of laundry, take out all house garbage, whatever. No other expectations - and no complaints about the job they do, unless it is a deliberate bad job.

I approached it as a question of fairness - I'm tired when I get home, I have to make supper, is it fair that I have to do EVERYTHING?

From what you are saying, though, I suspect that some of this is a message to you - "we are confused and in pain" You might want to take them out one by one for lunch, and have a discussion about their feelings on what has been going on. I found that more was said over milkshakes than in any number of 'family meetings" at home.

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Carolinagirl, please do stop the screaming and cursing. Remember that children learn and mimic what they hear. And none of us want to remember our moms that way. Pick your battles more carefully, and know this: No clean house is worth alienating the kids, and possible losing their respect. Relax. If their rooms do not meet your standards, close their doors. One day they will get tired of living in clutter, and they will begin to straighten things up. If they don't, that's not the end of the world either.

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I forgot to add the reason my kids tended to listen and obey their house rules - if they didt't they would have to go to after school care when I was working. They hated this, and would smarten up just so they didn't have to. You might want to consider it for the littlest one anyway - not really fair to expect the older ones to look out for the baby. I don't know what the situation is where you are, but here, there is a subsidy for parents who need out of school care but can't afford it. The place I work cares for kids whose single moms work part time at 7 11 and Subway, so are obviously not making the big bucks. If this is an option, you might want to look into it. Also the boys and girls club often has free or very cheap out of school care. Works either to have them out of the house and occupied when you are not home, or, as a threat.

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Funny how ya always hear (or in this case see) what ya need to when you need it most. Unco-operative kids and a messy house was the reason I logged on tonight. I came home from grocery shopping, set the bags down, looked around my house and just wanted to cry.


I have a 7 yr old and twins that are 6, I also have a 22 yr old son. It seems that is all I do.....clean, cook, laundry, clean, cook, laundry, all day and all night and no matter how much I clean it never looks any better. I know having 6 people living in 1 house makes it hard, but on the other hand having 6 people here (with 3 of us being adults) the house should NOT always look like this. So I get very frustrated, not so much at the little ones kids are gonna be kids, but my oldest helps some but not as much as he should and then my husband.....well lets  just say he does absolutely nothing around here to help. It's the 2 of them I get frustrated with, I try to talk to them but it seems to go in one ear and right out the other. I did talk with my oldest this evening and told him he HAS to help more if he wants to continue to stay here.


I know alot of my problem is that I am still having trouble getting myself organized and back into a routine. Hubby has been in recovery for several months and things are slowly getting back to a "normal" household. I am glad I read these posts tonight, I did buy a little plastic canister I filled it with treats for the little ones as rewards (they have been doing alot of bickering and such lately).  I wish I could find some kind of reward system I could use with hubby but I think with him I just need to leave the situation be for now (any ideas? lol)


I think this situation is one almost all of us in alanon, with children, face. Another "common problem" among us. Too bad our alanon meetings aren't followed by an "organizing your home meeting" lol. Anyways, I am glad to see that once again, I am not alone in a situation.


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Self-esteem Is Central to Intelligent, Ethical Childrearing

On a Northern Exposure TV show, adolescent Ed told the Native American shaman about his struggle with low self-esteem. "You know," said the wise mentor to his protégé, "low self-esteem is the cause of nearly all the suffering in the world."

In any approach to childrearing that is intelligent and ethical, self-esteem has to play a central role. It is the child's feeling of self worth--high or low--that determines, more than any other factor, the lifetime happiness or misery for that child. Parental awareness of the critical importance of the child's self-assessment is essential for understanding his or her behaviors, and the most effective ways to deal with them.

The growth of self-respect and authentic identity is so vital to happiness that, in Your Child's Self-Esteem, Dorothy Corkille Briggs says it is the central framework in relating with children of any age and at any stage.

Words to Parent By
Parents have long searched for a focus, a simple guideline by which to raise their children, just one essential thought to keep in mind. They've asked for a single quotation to post on the refrigerator door as a reminder in times of stress and conflict and confusion in day-to-day childrearing.

As long ago as 1970, Dr. Briggs gave us such a quote. Readers may well stop right now to post it on the door of the fridge:

"Self-esteem is the mainspring that slates every child for success or failure as a human being."

Dorothy C. Briggs, PhD

The fundamental childrearing rule of thumb is: Take care that your child grows with a strong appreciation of self, a healthy, positive attitude about who they are, a confident feeling of self-worth.

Self-respect amounts to healthy and realistic attitudes about identity: I am lovable; I have value in simply being myself; I am worthwhile; I am competent, having something valuable to offer. By age five, a child has formed a basic view of himself as a person. He or she has had to decide on answers to the most important of questions: What is my worth as a person? Am I lovable or unlovable? Am I worthy of care and attention and affection? They know the answers by how they are treated.

No single factor, event or experience determines totally the self-assessment. It is derived from accumulated feelings, directly from experience.

What Self-Esteem Is Not
In the term "high self-esteem" we do not mean conceit, or bratty, attention-demanding behavior that describes the temper-tantrum-prone, the tyrannical. Those are the "spoiled" children, the ones who are suffering the painful consequences of neglect. Such behavior is symptomatic of the low self-esteem that comes from being deprived of sufficient care, attention, and affection. A chronically "difficult" child is very likely one who is starved for a feeling of self-worth, of being valued, of being lovable, and so is frantic to meet their need for approval, even at the risk of rejection.

"The small child reasons, 'These all-powerful gods treat me as I deserve to be treated...what they say about me
is what I am.'"

Dorothy C. Briggs


"The worse the child's behavior, the greater his cry for approval. The more withdrawn or obnoxious, the more he needs love and acceptance. The higher his defenses the more starved and alienated he is," Briggs pointed out. The problem is, that sort of behavior tends to drive away the very acceptance and love he needs. It is this syndrome that ends so often in institutional custody, such as in psychiatric hospitals and prisons. And hundreds of thousands of them, from infants to aged, are living on the streets.

Where Are the Parenting Schools?
As we read the paper and watch the evening news, it is not difficult to see that the child who feels lacking in self-worth is capable of the most horrific anti-social acts. With a bit of insight we can also understand that his acts are born of his own pain, that the violence and mayhem is his misguided struggle to compensate for that self-contempt.

Because their own upbringing fell short of adequate emotional support, most parents unthinkingly raise their children in ways that place priority on meeting their own needs. This unfortunate fact is at the root of nearly all the problems of child-rearing, and, by consequential extension, it is the fundamental cause of the most serious problems we must deal with in our society.

In this child-abused-growing-to-be-child-abuser syndrome, there are two great and serious gaps: Parents' self-esteem needs are not sufficiently met, and they are not prepared to meet similar needs of their children.

Indeed, the learning of childrearing skills in general is left mostly to chance. In place of up-to-date information on understanding children and their proper care, there is often harmful and dangerous mythology, misleading information and outright lies. The parent-education gap is abundantly filled by opportunists of all stripes, from political to psychological, from religious to commercial, from medical to educational.

It is shocking to learn that the kind of treatment and care that makes the difference whether a child enjoys a lifetime of health and happiness, or suffers an existence of violence-ridden poverty and misery, is largely a gamble. Meantime, unskilled parents and teachers spank, batter and humiliate children, believing it "builds character."

THE EXTREMISM OF PRAISE AND PUNISHMENT

The permissive parent, usually out of guilt for being neglectful, is likely to be over-generous with praise, thus feeding the child's ego with unrealistic notions of his or her importance. Or the child compensates for neglect with inflated ideas of superiority over other children in intelligence, social status, talents, etc.

The authoritarian, on the other hand, doles out both punishment and praise. But parenting requires a good deal more than that dichotomy. Both extremes are harmful to the child. Both bind the child in a dependency that prevents healthy self-reliance and self respect.

The knowledgeable parent throws out the praise along with the punishment, and seeks a middle, sensible path that uses neither extreme. What is needed--by parents as well as children--is a parenting approach that is neither suppressive nor manipulative, one that is both respectful to the child and self-respecting for the parent.

THE AUTHORITARIAN APPROACH

The authoritarian parent makes all the rules, does the enforcing, makes the judgments, and exacts the punishments. His word is law.

The authoritarian parent is God, seeing the child as a blank slate on which to write programming information. The child is clay, to mold into a preconceived form, a twig to forcibly bend to a desired shape, to hold for the life of the child. The parent is Creator, and therefore infallible, One whose authority is beyond challenge. Rearing a child is God at work, and God-the-Parent is all-powerful. It can strike terror in a child.

In the authoritarian (often called "disciplinarian"), method there is little trust in the child's capacity for self-directed growth or independent learning. The child is constantly reminded, by the denial of meaningful decision-making power, of their lack of worth. Where parents rule, the child is controlled by the dispensing of rewards and punishments, always according to what pleases or displeases authority.

The Struggle for Control
There are four basic choices in forcing compliance to parental law: 1) nagging; 2) punishing; 3) rewarding; 4) giving up.

1. Nagging, or "keeping after them, " eats away at the relationship between parent and child. It is a practice that leaves both exhausted and wishing to avoid each other.

2. Punishing methods can read like a laundry list of meanness: yelling, scolding, isolation or time-out, withdrawing privileges, withdrawing love, and outright violence: assault as in hitting, hairpulling, kicking, spanking. The punishment approach is limited only by the creative hatred of the punisher.

3. Bribery and praise, a disguise for yet another play of power, must be added here. It is the more insidious for its manipulation behind the pretense of "love. "

4. Giving up is the "wit's end" cop-out on parental responsibilities. The beleaguered parents throw hands up in despair, complain that "nothing works," and turn their backs on their job of parenting. All are futile, or counter-productive. Yet all can overcome by parenting classes and counseling.

Effects of the Authoritarian Method (Strict) on the Self-Esteem of the Child:
1. Makes child dependent on authority, fosters feeling of powerlessness

2. Discourages child's growth in assuming responsibility, lack of control of life

3. Creates resentment and hostility in child due to feeling of being property, being a thing "owned"

4. Lack of self-confidence, since trust must be in authorities instead

5. Undermines child's self-trust, and strength of character, authenticity

6. Delays emotional growth; results in feeling of unworthiness, self-respect

PERMISSIVE NEGLECT
The permissive parent is afraid to see that rules are obeyed. They feel guilty if the child's demands for material things cannot be met, like the latest toy craze, or clothes not up-to-the-minute in style. The child generally rules the home, her wants are presented as needs.

Parents themselves confuse wants and needs, bowing submissively to the child's demands, fearful that the child will grow up feeling deprived, and resenting them. The inevitable result: parents' low self-esteem, and suppressed anger at being exploited.

The permissive (unskilled) parent fails to establish reasonable rules, or even guidelines, and is reluctant to use their parental power. The role of parent, they suppose, is to sacrifice their own rights and happiness to "serve" the child, providing far beyond needs to include all wants and desires as well.

The likely consequence: the child is "spoiled" in expecting the world to submit to his or her whims and wishes.

Effects of Permissiveness (License) on the Self-Esteem of the Child

The suffering such a view brings on--for both parents and child--is not difficult to imagine:

1. child acquires a distorted, self-centered view of the world

2. instinctively knows this is not true caring, but rather serves to compensate parent's fears of guilt

3. likely to result in a disturbed child, lacking true parental love

4. eventually must lead to rejection of the child when parents cannot tolerate any more of child's self-centeredness or their demands

SELF-ESTEEM AND DEMOCRATIC DISCIPLINE

Who's the Boss?
The key is in the distribution of power in the family. The oft-asked question, "who is the boss here?" is best answered, "There is no boss; we are self-regulating; this is a democratically-run household."

Our country was founded on the principle that people have a right to a fair share of power in the decisions that govern them. Yet it is a rare family that operates on a democratic basis. Some believe they are, saying, "I listen to their input, then decide what is best for them." But that is not democracy, that is benevolent dictatorship.

Too many families view the children as the not-so-loyal opposition, who, if management power were shared, would take over the asylum. Or the inmates would overpower the warden. Such thinking lacks both an understanding of the democratic process, and trust in the fairness, the goodness, of other family members.

Children who are trusted and respected very quickly learn to accept the responsibility to comply with fair, agreed-to limits and, indeed, earnestly appreciate them.

One problem is that we Americans have contradicting values--some say hypocritical. We'll don a uniform and go to war to defend democracy, but come home to deny it to our children. Sad to say, most homes in America are run in autocratic/dictatorial fashion, in style a century ago in central Europe, but now grossly inappropriate and outdated for today's society.

Also to important consider: How can democracy survive where the young live under totalitarianism the first 18 years of their lives?

Sharing family decisions does more than make our country stronger. It makes for individual happiness by strengthening self-confidence, building self-reliance, and encouraging individual responsibility. It can be summed up in a word, Self-esteem. And that goes for the parents as well as the children.

Effects of Democratic Discipline (Self-Regulation) on the Self-Esteem of the Child:
The immediate effect of Democratic Discipline on a child is the feeling of responsibility and self-worth.

1. It raises children's self-respect; their views have real power-sharing status

2. With self-respect comes respect for others' rights, views and feelings

3. Appreciation of others' viewpoints broadens & increases fair-mindedness and cooperation

4. Empowerment comes from having a measure of control over one's own life

5. Responsibility for one's decisions grows as a result

6. Self-discipline strengthens, as it must in a democracy

7. Respect for legitimate authority in-creases, the recognition of the need for society's regulations

8. Diminished need for youthful rebel-lion results when self-regulation is a factor

9. Less aggression and violence, brings more emotional stability, less conflict

10 Less resentment, depression, mental illness, physical and mental illness and crime are among the benefits to individuals and society.


SELF-ESTEEM FOR PARENTS

Every parent has an obligation--to their family as well as to themselves--to work daily at raising their own feelings of self-worth. Our job is not to lavish praise on the children, or dream dreams of grandeur, but to develop more appreciation for self and other family members.

A. S. Neill said, "No happy parent ever punished a child. No happy child ever required punishing." Nothing is more supportive of happiness than healthy feelings of self-worth. It is as essential for emotional wellbeing as oxygen is for physical maintenance.

The key to successful parenting is helping children grow in self-appreciation.

Although parental demands to be a different person are unreasonable, a child does not question it. The parent is all-knowing. The child only feels terrible at his/her own inadequacy to "measure up" to expectations.

The child's self-assessment is much determined by how early an age and how speedily the demands to change are made. As we look inside ourselves we may see that some of our expectations and demands come from our craving to satisfy our own unmet childhood needs.

The parent is the child's mirror. The child says, "I must build my self-concept, my identity, from what I see, what I hear, and by the ways I am treated."

The quickest and easiest way to grow family self-esteem, cooperation and harmony is to stop all punishing at once, and hold regular family meetings in which to work out rules all can agree to.

To let children be who they are, and to grow through behavioral changes, that is discipline. It is self-management. The real challenge for parents is, instead of striving to change the children into people they are not, to find the inner wisdom and strength to change themselves.



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I can't visualize this working. Actually my A husband's father had 6 children and raised them that they would just get tired of living in filth and eventually pick it up or that they would make responsible decisions given the opportunity to "do the right thing". Every single one of them are addicts or in prison.

I think there has to be a happy medium here.

I'm in nowhere north carolina, there are no social services here. I have been on the waiting list for daycare assistance for four months and nada. People on welfare here get 1-200 a month with kids. All my kids will be over 5 as of next week so is there hope for their little egos still? Sounded like after that the die was cast. Guess that would explain why the first one is most messed up and the last one is the best. Practice makes perfect I know I treated the first worst and got better with the last with age and maturity.

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yes carolinagirl, there is always hope for alittle one's ego. Just love them and do for them the best you can


 


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Oh course there is hope - love and patience really do work miracles with kids, though not as fast as we would like!

I hope you don't mind, I discussed this with my daughter, who is now almost 15, but was 11 when her dad went into rehab. She says that it sounds to her like your kids might be mad at you, and blame you for what has happened lately. They also probably want more information about what is going on. Kids of course always blame the parent who they feel safest with - it's too scary to blame the other, who knows what might happen? If there is any way you can get them to open up and let you know their feelings it will probably help the situation, even though it might hurt you.

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I recently had some experience with this myself.  I was on the kids one for day for their endless bickering, when my 12 year old flat out told me that maybe they were fighting so much because I was stressing them out yelling at them so much.  I was speechless.  So I sat down with my girls and we had a nice little chat.  My 12 year old pretty much did the talking, but my 9 year old backed her up.  I was yelling all the time and hadn't even realized it.  I learned that day to listen to myself more, and am getting better. 


I can certainly relate to not having help. Technically, I'm a single parent only about 5 months out of the year, while H is on deployment.  However, he had reached the point in his drinking where he was gone when he was home, so I came to think of myself as a single parent almost all the time.  It is hard to do it without being angry, but I always told myself I had a choice and I could have chosen to leave him, but I chose to stay.  I will be honest here and say that one part of that decision was always income.  I can feel like a single parent and still have his income or I can really be a single parent and live on just mine.  Kinda shitty, but reality is reality. 


Anyway, I'm sure if you sit down with your kids and talk through some of this, things will look up.  Good luck.



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Wow girl you have opened up a WHOLE BIG CAN OF WORMS!!!  Do you see that you are not alone in this?  I hope you do b/c we all go through it and feel like we are the only ones.  I personally have felt sometimes like I must be the most awful mom in the whole big wide world.  But you know what?  I am not and neither are you.  We are just stressed.  And you know, even if we weren't alone or didn't have an A in our life, it would probably be the same way.  My sister is married to a great guy.  She doesn't work but it is all she can do to keep the house from looking like a hurricane hadn't just hit it.


Sometimes you just have to stand back & say "You know what? The world isn't going to end if I allow my house to get dirty for once."  Let it go.  Have popcorn for dinner and watch a movie w/the kids.  And just unwind.


I've started working w/my 4 year old daughter on the fact that she cannot pull out a new set of toys until she puts away the 1st set.  If she refuses and decides to throw a temper tantrum, I send her to her room where she stays until she decides to quit screaming & clean up her toys.  And I offer to help her but I refuse to do it completely.  This seems to be working for the moment at least.  And as far as my 13 year old son, well that is just hopeless.  His room stinks so bad sometimes that the whole upstairs smells.  I bought some plug in air fresheners and fuss at him for his room from time to time....but out of sight out of mind in my book.  And as long as I can't smell it, I won't go in there. LOL.


Since I backed off on the yelling, things have gotten a bit more pleasant.  I still have my rampages but not every day any more.  Good luck.



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Getting the popcorn and movie ready. Maybe a bowl of clam chowder too. :) Will think about cleaning and NOW wrapping presents, decorating the tree, sending out xmas cards later!

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Hello Carolinagirl,


I may be completely out of my mind here ... I have no children so my thoughts are based growing up with a single Mom who was rarely home, and did expect alot from me.


Diva's story of not knowing how to clean a bathroom hit home, I knew how but not the finer points. There were times I really worked hard on helping around the house and was told it was not good enough. After a while i decided that if I was going to be put down after working hard anyway why not just get yelled at for not doing it all? Less work on my part same result basically ....


This all continued until one day ... the first day i had seen my mom for more than a few minutes in a week and I was going with her to a side cleaning job to help her get it done quicker. On the way out the door she was yelling that I was nto helping enough in carrying our laundry, to be done at the laundromat after we did the cleaning job. I gave up and told her you expect too much ... i was 12. I ran away for 2 days, she knew where i was but I refused to go home. Not enough time or attention, too much work and none of it fun. I understand now the pressure she was under and can have empathy.


What would have helped me .... having her pressures explained to a certain extent. Being asked to be a part of a TEAM together. Making someof the mundane things fun ... not just work work work but talking about me and her and what was going in our lives while she taught me how she wanted things done, music with dance breaks, breaktime with a quick board game while the whole family has set chores. It might make it take a little longer but the memories would be a lot nicer. Even just a small thing said like smell how good this shirt smells just coming out of the dryer would have given me something to find satisfying about doing a chore ... I've found those things now as I've grown up. i wish she had shown me how satisfying a job well done was instead of "we have to do this" or "you washed the floor? it's still dirty."  Even a basic IF you can get this stuff done before I get home we'll watch a show together or play a game of cards, IF not then we'll do it together and won't have time for the show.


I don't know if any of this helps ... I was an odd child anyway


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I have only been a single mother for about 11 months now, and my son is only 18 months, but what I do to cope with the stress and the mess is:


I try to sit down and just spend one on one time with my son and really enjoy him and look him in the eye and listen to him at least once a day.  And I really do enjoy him and it makes all the menial chores worth it because I love him.  Just have fun together, because I know that we are models for our children and shouting at them I realised only teaches them that that is how to deal with stress or get what you want.  I believe all children deep down just want to please and that is how they learn, so lots and lots of praise and acknowledgement of positive behaviour when you catch them doing something good.


Also with the mess my son is only little so I don't know what it's like with older children, but he pulls everything out of boxes, drawers, off shelves, everything is emptied out til my place looks like hurricane blew through it.  But every night after he goes to bed I clean up.  So I leave it til he's in bed so I'm not putting stuff away and then he just goes and makes a mess again.  I have started asking him as part of bedtime to be my helper and help me put all the toys away. 


Or just contain it to one room.  Like only clean one room then later in the day clean another so at least there at least always one clean room.  Then I leave vaccuming to the weekend.


Sometimes I feel resentful of my ex, the A, how he gets to do what he likes and doesn't have to deal with this everyday, but then I'd much prefer having to clean up over having to clean up *and* deal with other cr*pola.


Is it possible for you to leave the children with a babysitter or family member for a day and spend the day doing a big spring clean so you don't feel so much clutter when you are home, and then go have a big relaxing spa or night in a hotel or something?


 



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