I hear you David. Sometimes it's hard to have a healthy group...when the members of the group aren't healthy!!! So be it.

We have one gentlemen in one of our local groups, who, every month brings up having a group conscience. People ask, about what? He ends up giving some vague, ambiguous commentary about "the meeting" and "how the meeting flows" and that's about it. When asked if he wants to have a group conscience about the "structure" or "format" of the meeting, he says not necessarily. He never has a specific suggestion, recommendation, or proposal on which to have an actual group conscience and resulting vote on, so it never goes anywhere. Rather odd, but so be it. A group conscience can be very healthy...with healthy participants, when it has integrity in the process, and when it is done according to the alanon principles, guidelines, etc.

While I am sorry your meeting "sank" -- it probably had to sink so to speak. It sounds like the alanon principles were completely ignored and neglected. Without recognition, respect, honor, and more, of the alanon program, the principles, the guidelines, etc. -- then, IMO, my experience, that's not alanon. It's subjective alanon. It's selective alanon. It's pick and choose alanon. Simply put, it's not alanon.

We've seen meetings -- that meet in the same church -- both thrive, grow, succeed, and another meeting simply dies. The sum of the parts my friend, the sum of the parts.