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Dealing With Personalities At Meetings


How have you all dealt with people at meetings that you found to be disruptive, or disrespectful?  I recently missed a number of meetings in a row due to illness.  Initially, I had something I could spread, then some of the symptoms died down, but not others, and a doctor visit was in order to be sure I didn't have something else I could pass around.  When I got the all clear, I returned, despite my not feeling 100% - I was given new meds and I should start feeling better in a week or two, when they start to build up.

I'd been attending my meeting for about a month when I first encountered a woman who attends sporadically, and her BFF, who attends even less.  I don't care about their attendance - let me make that abundantly clear - just trying to set up the scenario.  And I understand that when you have personalities in a room, you aren't going to get along with all of them.

At any rate, back to me being there about a month.  I didn't have a lot of money, and was saving up to buy daily readers.  Someone from the group mistakenly told me that I could get them in paperback for really cheap - she thought $5 each.  So I sold something I had to get the money, and came in the next week. The woman who told me the information wasn't there.  So I approached the woman (it was the first time I'd encountered her) after being told by someone else that she was who I needed to see to buy books.  We'll call her Jeanie, but it's not her real name.  I asked about it, and handed her $15.  She said "You don't have enough to buy three.  Just one."  I barely got out "Well, someone last week told me I could get them for $5 ea in paperback" before she interrupted me and rather loudly demanded to know who told me that.  I told her I didn't recall names and I didn't see her there that week, and she then informed me that the daily readers don't come in paperback "Nope.  Uh-Uh.  No.", as if a simple "no" didn't suffice.  She kept on about it.  I just wanted to crawl in a hole.  I finally told her to forget it, and went to leave.  She said something about if it was "that big of a deal" then I could borrow them, but she'd write down I had them, blah blah....no thanks.  I ended up getting my books from eBay.

I didn't see her for a few weeks, then she came back.  She brought a friend.  They sat around the whole time giggling like schoolgirls, playing on their phones, talking to each other, etc.  I'm in my 40's and both of them are older than me.  Her BFF has a similar name, and they went on and on about it.  I'll call her BFF "Jinny", but that's not her real name either.  We had a new person that night.  Never saw them again.  I know that happens frequently, but I had in the back of my mind that had they been there my first night, I wouldn't have come back either.  I see Jeanie sporadically - once every 5-6 weeks, and she's always loud, and only friendly with certain people (she rarely speaks to me).  Sometimes she's there alone, sometimes with Jinny.  Jinny never ever comes alone - only with Jeanie.  Both of them are parents of alcoholics.  I don't have children - I'm married to my alcoholic (husband).  If you're a parent of an alcoholic and sharing, you have her undivided attention.  She is chomping at the bit to share her wisdom when she has a chance to speak.  If your alcoholic is a spouse, parent, etc, she doesn't care.  She's on her phone, or talking to Jinny, or flipping through stuff in her tote bag.  She makes no effort to hide it.  She makes no effort to be quiet. 

Last night I walked in, and got some hellos, and "glad you're back" from people. She was sitting in the spot to chair the meeting, and I cringed.  She was talking to Jinny, looked up, and went right back to talking.  Someone came in that I didn't recognize, but I've been missing, so I figure they could have been there before and I didn't know, or could have come years ago, and I didn't know them (that's happened).  She looked up, said "Are you new?".  The woman barely got out "I've been here a few times" and she just went back to what she was doing when that woman came in.

All night long, she was flipping through papers, being indifferent to conversations, looking at her phone, etc.  While she was chairing.  Someone in the group gave her a flyer to pass around - it wasn't a district thing, but it was related, and she looked at it then chucked it on the table, never circulating it.  I'm our group's GR.  I had only been coming to meetings for approximately 5 months when I was given the spot - no one else wanted it or was eligible for it.  I've done service work in the past with other organizations, so I have experience with it.  But this baffles me.  I'm not the type who thinks meetings should be all somber, and no fun can be had (our district meetings are a lot of fun), but I do have an issue with what I see as disrespect.  I don't want to leave the group - there are few in my area, and I otherwise really like it.  Last night, she pulled out the flyer for the district convention, and started to mention it, then said "Oh, why is this still in here?  Too late to register now.  Registration was over 3/1".  I said "No, it's still open."  She said "No, the flyer clearly says 3/1".  I responded "No, registration OPENS 3/1.  It closes 5/22." (I know this because I'm in a money pinch and will probably make my reservation last minute).  Thankfully, someone from another group was at our meeting last night - I recognize her as a GR from the district meetings, and she backed me on that.  Was there a reason to argue with me on it?  I may be new at this, but there's no need to speak to me like that.  I didn't argue and let it drop, but I'm sure the look on my face showed my displeasure.

My sponsor is also our DR.  Is it worth bouncing this off her?  I don't want to "punish" anyone or admonish them, but maybe thoughts on how to handle this should it ever come up again?  As I said prior, if I had been a newcomer when she and her BFF were present, I don't know that I'd want to come back because I'd think they were very cliquey and unfriendly.



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Hugs,

I am really sorry you experienced this and I understand .. there is a book that is an How Alanon Works that you can get for 5$ at my home meeting I know prices had gone up because of the issue of shipping. I would suggest if you are looking for books ebay or amazon are great places to go for any of the daily readers .. sometimes other members have been known to gift others with lit. My open meetings I went to with AA .. they were so kind and gifted me an AA book. LOL .. they understood my desire to learn about their side of the equation and truly encouraged me.

As far as the other person .. my only suggestion is give them over to their HP before getting to the meeting. If they are there .. they are there .. I would focus completely on my own recovery and let them alone. Believe it or not sometimes those difficult personalities are the people I learn the most from. I refuse to give away my own power in terms of what I can gain regarding my own recovery. I really do encourage you to continue with your healing .. sometimes people are lessons that HP puts in my direction so I can better understand where I am at. I have also learned sometimes other people are a direct reflection of things I need to work on .. LOL .. that one is harder to swallow for me.

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I do understand that patience with people who annoy me is something I need to work on.  I'm sure my tiredness is something that didn't help either.  Another one of my issues is that I can say I'll give it over, but when I'm in the moment, being argued with over nothing of consequence and completely unnecessarily, I revert back to being irritated.

I didn't even talk last night, and I wanted to share a joy that my husband - who has been procrastinating on doing step 4 for some time now - signed up for a group thing where they're doing the 12 steps over the course of a set number of weeks.  He took that step and made that decision himself, and I'm very proud of him.  But I was afraid I'd not be able to bite my tongue while she looked at her phone and flipped through her stuff, looking completely disinterested.  And I understand that's on me.  Trying to get in the mindset that I don't care if she doesn't care.  It just may take me some time......maybe a lot time.....

 



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If it continues to bother you and it is taking away from your participation you can try another group. I know that is difficult in rural settings.

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We had the issue and I do come from a rural area that it was very clickish in some ways which was bothersome .. they say try 6 meetings and honestly I had to do 16 before I felt things click for me. I just kept going back knowing if I fought my way through I would find my own way .. interestingly enough someone new came in and brought up how intimidating the meetings were and unwelcoming and I had to bite my lip from laughing out loud because honestly these women (and they were mostly women) had no clue how others were viewing the situation. It's hard enough to come into a meeting it's doubly hard to share ESH as a new comer and they did get a little called out. You know it was a healthy thing for the group because they ALL made a point of not being so standoffish which was WONDERFUL for everyone. It brought a new life to our group and I was grateful for that peace.

We had 5 weekly meetings (when my sponsor passed it went down to 4 I think). This is why I started attending open AA meetings on Saturday I could get some recovery time in and continue with my own momentum .. I am grateful I was able to do that.

What awesome news about your spouse!! :) Good on him!!

You know my best disengagement with someone who is being that difficult about a specific topic is .. you might be right and I just back down (ok sometimes .. LOL .. I'm working on that one). That helps me just back away and then do what I need to do to get my information that is important to me. It's far better than saying gee .. aren't you just a special kind of recovery example .. LOL .. I have been known to want to say that as well. LOL .. the other way I can walk away intact and no other amends necessary. :)



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Thankfully, she only shows up every few weeks.  Sometimes I'd love to ask her when she plans on coming, so I know to stay home, lol.

There's only one other meeting even remotely near me, and while they're all nice people, I don't care for the way they structure their meeting.  I prefer more discussion over mostly reading from approved literature.  Plus, I'm GR, and I love that - I don't want to give that up.

The woman last night that I hadn't seen before was the kind that I could see saying something about some people not making her feel welcome - I got that vibe from her.  She asked a ton of questions because our treasurer brought up about taking a vote on a contribution to the district, and he mentioned about needing to set money aside to send me to the state conference in the fall, and she started asking all kinds of questions about what the point of the conference is, etc.  Which is fine - I appreciate people who want to know what's going on so they can be informed.  Maybe I'll mention it in passing to my sponsor/DR in a light fashion - not a "It ticked me off" fashion.  She has lots of good advice.  We need to be more welcoming - that was part of our last district meeting (and maybe I can use that to start up the convo).



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Oh shoot .. my brain is not with me at the moment .. there is a meeting you can call and you can think about it .. what's it called an Inventory Meeting? I think it's something like that and I would mention that to your sponsor as well as if you are GR you can get some other ideas in terms of how to conduct that kind of meeting .. every meeting should have an inventory taken and address issues that are outstanding.

So the person who brought up the issue of clicks .. it was a GUY .. and I will always LOVE HIM for that .. LOL!!! He was so brave and I was so grateful he put it on the table because honestly it got some really great productive communication going.

Anyway, do some research, pray about it and TOTALLY talk to your sponsor about it. There is nothing wrong with being informed and knowing what you can do.

GFU on taking some really empowering steps forward .. it makes a difference.

Ironically on a side note the town meetings I went to I'm not from that town and my sponsor was not either and she was floored over some of what went on at those meetings it was her presence that did bring about some amazing growth and even the long timers got how special she was to that program. We were all very lucky to have her wisdom. We understood what it was to be on the outside looking in and small towns are interesting in that regard. I got in trouble with someone who was proofing a written paper I turned in for a college class because I called the town incestuous because it was .. for me I was ok .. LOL .. I only married and dated the one man .. LOL .. other people were like so and so was married to my cousin and comes with this baggage and so on .. or my bff dating him for a while .. blah blah blah .. anyway point is most of these folks have a LOT of history together and it was just an odd dynamic. I have since moved to a bigger city and I'm soooo glad I did for my own sanity .. I did NOT date after my divorce .. I had a point to this story .. I think no matter what I was always going to feel that other people were clickish because that wasn't where I was from. I found it ironic my sponsor picked up on it as well.

Hugs S :)

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As a newbie I don't know all the expectations and protocols for meetings. I can say that my first meeting was with a very pleasant group and I still wanted to run out the door for the first five minutes or so. If I encountered this behavior by the individual chairing the meeting I would likely never return so I think it's worth mentioning to someone.

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Hey funkified - each meeting/group is autonomous - we all know that. However, if you feel that they distractions take away from the intent, you can certainly attend business meetings and bring up the concerns in a general way. We have a lovely group and a very structured opening. We actually ask folks to silence their electronic devices and refrain from using them during the meeting. We also discuss al-anon principles (cross-talk, not talking about the A, etc.) in our opening.

I agree that when a group gathers, there will be some personalities that just don't align. I do love that 12-Step recovery asks us and reminds us to put principles above personalities. I have raised personality concerns with my sponsor as sometimes you just need to vent about it to let it go - so go for it.

I also love that we get to 'take what we like and leave the rest'. I can readily admit that when members of our group get sidetracked about what their qualifier is/is not doing, my mind floats away. We don't support that type of share in meetings. I readily admit I like my group because members do keep the focus on self. Also, when they are in crisis, they can ask for a one on one that allows them more time to share/process.

I often consider the Serenity Prayer when I'm troubled by the words/actions of others. I can't change them, but I can change me and beyond. (((Hugs)))

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Everyone has provided excellent responses to this question and dilema. I would just like to point out that the Al-Anon closing states:" you may not like all of us but will learn to love us in a special way".

I do believe that I learned to practice all of Al-Anon principles by attending meetings and running into people such as you have described. I learned patience and to not react.. I learned to detach. to put principles above personalities and most of all I then learned to say what I mean without saying it mean. I did develop all of my Al-Anon skills by first using the tools in the Al-Anon meetings first so keep going back ,try different meetings. if you choose and remember it's all a learning experience.aww



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Hi Funkified,

                   I have often sat in meetings, and wondered what other people were thinking about. So now I know what you were thinking about.... wink...

People often say to place principles above personalities, which is much easier said than done. Most of us have had long times in our lives where we were not actually listened to, or taken seriously. In Alanon, we don't find perfect people, either, but the reason why we are here- is that we are all triers!

I wish fervently that I had had that amount of thinking, going on for me, when I started Aanon. From memory I felt pretty numb. A lot of thoughts and feelings arise at meetings- and over time we start to pick up on these and grow emotionally.

Wishing you well, my friend, and giving you a little time...

      cheers,

           DavidG.



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Funny as a I read this post I realized I had an experience about personalities this week...

I started attending an in person meeting about 6 weeks ago now (wow!) and each meeting I am starting to see the personalities of the members come out. I will say yesterday at the meeting our treasurer was chairing the meeting and after she introduced the speaker (while sitting at the same table) she was flipping thru paperwork, arranging the board to pass around, gathered her stuff up, walked over and sat at another table, continued to flip thru pages. It was so distracting. And I had a small chuckle bc there was a lady sitting at that table who from the get go I realized was VERY particular about where she sat during a meeting--- she doesn't like anyone to sit in her line of sight to the speaker, one day a lady who I would describe as quite frazzled plopped down next to her and she got up and moved all the way across the room to a different table--- anyways, so when the treasurer sat down that particular lady--- oh if you could've see her face!!! hahaha... Once treasurer was done sorting and organizing all the boards, and flyers to send around during the meeting she went back to her seat at head table and listened intently.

Nothing helpful to add to your situation, but I think my point (as a very very new member to this whole meeting thing) is that we all have very similar personality traits, but note that we are all different as well.

If I saw a newcomer come in, instead of worrying about how distracting-ish certain members (borderline rude- as described) are I would take the extra step to say hello and show a newcomer a friendly face. I can control my actions/reactions... can't control anyone else or their behavior.

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Hi funkified,

The scenarios you described are pretty typical at least from my experience. We all have our "stuff." Alanon must have known this too because our closing includes that we may not like everyone but will learn to love in a "very special way." Over time, I've developed tolerance and detachment at meetings. I've no doubt others have where I am concerned as well. I find myself in trouble when I begin to see certain member to be this or that. I try to stay away from that thinking. When I adopted it, it didn't serve me very well. I would come to a meeting anticipating that someone was going to act a particular way that I found irksome. Naturally, I couldn't focus on the meeting because I was outwardly focused on the members. As I became more focused with the help of my higher power to listen for the message rather than critiquing the messenger, I began to leave meetings with some serenity. 

As far as the woman who cut you off when discussing the price of Alanon literature, I would also have felt her reaction was a bit over the top. So.. maybe you are a bit healthier in you face to face direct communication that she is. You don't have to wear her behavior, she does. I have experienced people like that too at meetings. The up side is that I learned to be heard respectfully in the rooms of Alanon. It can feel embarrassing at first when someone gets loud and forceful and attracts the attention of those around you in an Alanon meeting but we also have a right to be heard. Some of those seemingly humiliating experiences were tests from my higher power to assert my boundaries with others. I was able to then carry those lessons into my life with others. 

I hope things get better for you at your meeting place. If not, hopefully you have some other face to face alanon meeting near your home to try. It's important to be welcoming but when I've been to meetings where the primary focus was socialization rather than Alanon, I've looked for other meetings. I want to keep recovering.  (((hugs))) TT

 



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