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For those with biological children and married and financial obligations with the "A" (alcoholic right?) I can see how leaving is a huge decision. I was married for 15yrs to my ex (we share 50/50 with our teen) and our divorce had nothing to do with any substance issue, we (me mainly) just grew apart. And that divorce still hurts in ways and I still feel some guilt. We lost house etc..
But now with my bf of 4yrs why do I stay and deal with this really? I dont live with him (no WAY am I bringing my daughter into a home with him) its bad enough his young son has to deal with it. Tech why dont some of us just say to Hell with this! I dont need this in reality. I do love him (not like fairy tale soulmate love) but mostly I think its pity. I feel BAD that he keeps trying. Hes always sorry the next day etc..asks me to stay and be patient because hes trying (no AA yet) I just keep thinking damn i could be dating some guy that doesnt need to drink and pass out every few days. Does anyone else ever question why even bother? I could walk out tomorrow w no ties to him! In ways I am starting to dislike him for all this. I never needed Al Anon until him. ok done venting :)
I stayed because I had lost perspective, I was frightened, I felt superior to him and it was nice to feel superior to somebody for a change (usually it's the other way around), I was a bit addicted to the chaos, and I genuinely thought it would be hard to get anybody better. I guess that last is part of losing perspective. And I had been worn down by it all so badly that I didn't have a lot of emotional energy to break away. I think he relied on that and encouraged it.
Right now there is nobody that I was with that I wish I had stayed with longer. In every case I stayed way too long.
I may give this another year and see if he actually goes to AA and really takes this seriously. the only thing that I noticed sadly is that even people who get treatment have multiple relapses and I'm just not sure I want to spend the majority of my life, I'm already 45, dealing with the situation. I do care a lot about him and I also feel like he'll end up getting sober and someone else will get the sober version of him but I had to deal with all this for years! :-/ I am also posting another ranting topic next.. Im on a roll today! sorry.
I stay because that's what I committed to do. If I ever feel like leaving is the right answer, I'll do that - it's just never felt like the right move for me. I am married, we do share children (adult now), and he is sick with heart disease. With the Al-Anon program, I have found peace day by day in my life as it it. Could it be better? Sure. Could he be better? Sure. Could I be better? Sure.
If I were not married and did not have joint finances, kids, house, etc. I believe my decision tree would be different and I maybe would not stay. Marriage for me is a commitment that I see differently than the dating/living together stage. I say today that if he goes first, I won't marry again. I am very certain of that - I have tons of friends, both sexes and may/may not date but just want to enjoy the remainder of my life as it comes.
The program was the best gift I could give to myself to help me make decisions for myself. I can say that living with the disease is hell but recovery and the promises far outweigh that pain for me today. I know me in a way I would never have and I have so much more calm and/or peace...
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My bf and I don't have kids together, but I stay because I love him. We were friends for 10 years before we started dating. A little over a year and a half ago, I ran from a viciously abusive ex and My bf helped me pick myself up. I did all the work, but he stood behind me and reminded me of who I was. I completely rebuilt my life. We've been dating for about a year now, and he is an alcoholic. But, I think I'm lucky. He doesn't get mean or violent when he drinks. He never insults me or hurts me. He gets a little annoying because he'll start in on long rambling stories I've heard a hundred times, but that's about it. I didn't even see his drinking as a problem until the day he drove drunk with his 3 year old daughter in the car. I was livid. Drunk driving is unacceptable to me - especially when it involves endangering a child. I almost ended the relationship. But, when he realized that his drinking could allow him to do something that stupid, he decided he was going to stop. His daughter means the world to him. He has made it clear that she is the only thing in his life more important than me - which is how it should be. He could have lost us both that night and it was a big wake-up call for him. That was 11 days ago and he's still sober. I pray that he will stay that way. Some people are able to do it. Some aren't. So, there are no guarantees, but I'm going to stand behind him while he fixes himself, just like he did for me. We were both damaged - just in different ways. I had to get help - and I'm on antidepressants - but I feel like myself again. He realizes that he has a problem and he's determined to fix it. That's a big first step.
only you can make the decesion but i can share that im 58,was married to a extremely severe alcoholic and should have left him, the first year,the 10th,the 20th yr..finally i left last yr and i had wasted so many productive years. years to work,go to school,take care of myself better. I made some wrong decesions like that but I console myself by knowing my Higher Power has plans for me. I have a sweet non drinking boyfriend, a ok apartment and am unemployed at the moment but have enough saved for 6mths. Then we will see. Mostly Im happy, know boundaries, look out for myself, am good to me and try to apply alanon teachings, Pray if u do and keep coming back to this board. They have given me such wonderful insights
I am going through the same dilemma with my boyfriend of just 7 months. I was marred to an alcoholic (a 'great guy' too!) for 20 years - and it took me the last 9 years of our marriage to get the courage to leave. Now I am involved with another 'great guy' (truly) who I believe is showing some addictive tendencies, although nothing has been horribly alarming yet. (my gut just 'knows' there is trouble ahead) We do not live together, and only see each other 2-3 times a week, or we spend basically every other weekend together. He has slowly been showing me 'more' of his habits - pot smoking, drinking and driving - and other red flags. Here is me - a fitness professional who is dedicated to promoting healthy lifestyle choices, and many of my friends can not even understand why I am with him. I have to ask myself the same thing - when I think I could be meeting or dating people who have similar values and lifestyle choices, I just shake my head at myself.
I know that I will honor myself in the end - for me it's a 'courage' thing. I hate the idea of hurting anyone. I am just going to 'keep coming back' and trust that I will be led to the next step when I am ready.
Hugs,
Cyndi
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We live apart too.. I cannot imagine moving in with him or marriage at all at this point. Plus not bringing my 14yr old into this. He does have a great side to him, but uggg do I hate seeing his red eyes, slurs and beer reeking even as he breathes. SIGH
oh and Cyndi.. Im same as you.. fitness minded no drugs or drinking.. yet my husband was heavy pot smoker (HEAVY) and quick to anger. And now I have a drinker who is quick to anger.
smh.. i need to soul search here
I wonder the same thing all the time.... I believe I really love him but hate the pass out days and the anger and the unknown. I was married before to a guy who was very dependant on me but for emotional support. I am finding this very similar because I am always the one depended on. I ultimately thing A is a great guy and has many amazing qualities but the disease is taking over him and I don't see that awesome guy anymore.
aerin, you will find the answers if you turn it over to your HP. I stayed in my marriage for WAY too long. I, too, was a yoga instructor, fitness professional, and could have had many other suitors if I had even given that a thought....but I didn't. I was committed to forcing my marriage to work because we had a kid, because I was financially tied to him, and because I truly had hope that someday sobriety would be a part of our lives. Like Mattie, I was so emotionally drained that I didn't have the strength to leave until one day I finally did.
One thing I've learned, though, now that I've been out of my XAH's life for 16 months is that I was part of the problem. I enabled, made excuses, lived in denial, I engaged when I shouldn't have, I allowed unacceptable behavior in my home instead of standing up for what was right, etc. Today, I am in a relationship with a man who is wonderful and NOT an addict or alcoholic, who has his sh*t together, and who would do anything for me if I asked him to as I would for him. But, I realized that I had to take myself with me in this relationship and all my crazy thinking and patterns of thinking from my marriage came back to haunt me even after 4 years of Al Anon under my belt. This year has been truly a learning experience about me and about what makes ME tick.
So, I say to you, stop worrying about what he's doing and work program for yourself. Learn about why you have chosen to stay or why you choose to enable or whatever it is that is keeping you there other than love. Because I truly believe that love is not what keeps a relationship together and healthy: commitment does and trust and loyalty and compassion and positive energy, etc. Love is just one part of why we stay.......what else is keeping you there? For me, I became so used to the sick cycle of dysfunction that I didn't know there was another way. Today I do and I choose to be in a relationship where we've both made it clear that we never want to be miserable with our SO's ever again and that we will address things quickly and check the temperature of our relationship on a regular basis. There's no reason to be miserable in a relationship as far as I can see. I did that once, and don't plan on doing it again. I just hope that if it comes my way again...whether it be with my bf or someone else....I hope I have the strength to cut ties knowing I did the best I could, and knowing that it takes more than love to make a relationship succeed.
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Wow..You about summed up a lot of my thoughts. It is almost impossible for me to imagine any man not having a drink and/or smoking and/or some kind of substance issue! Sometimes I think that is why I stay. Like is there really any man out there that wouldn't care to have a drink other than MAYBE at a party? I wonder that that is like?
My reason for staying (both current and with my ex husband) is I FEEL SORRY FOR THEM. I feel like I am kicking them to the curb because I "gave up". Obviously I am still with current boyfriend and giving him a chance by using my Al Anon tools, but I have been told by him that I am not accepting who he is, that I am a "cop" watching what he drinks and that he is trying his very best and that sorry he isn't as "perfect" as me. grrrrrr Since I've started with some of my boundaries he hasn't really said any of that lately, but just thought I'd share
I suppose the reason I stay is because I know the man my AH used to be. I've known him since we were 12 years old. I know his character, and I know that he can be a better man. I have seen that better man, and I married that better man.
We were apart for over 20 years (from 19 to 39) and ran into one another, by chance, after all of that time. I was going through a very difficult time in my life, as I was going through a divorce. He was sober at the time, and stayed that way far into our marriage. Unfortunately, some triggers caused him to fall back into drinking, and I've dealt with his binge drinking for the past six years.
I do believe that love is a choice. I don't think trust is a choice. It's something that someone else breaks inside of you. It is difficult for me to stay with someone I can't trust. At this point, I believe in my husband's ability to beat this, if he stays with the program, and stays accountable. I guess that's why I stay.
Sometimes we could be in love with the idea of a "romantic love", subconsciously trying to live that in our life. I am still married to the same man for 20 years now, and as far as I can remember there was never a year wherein I didn't think of separating from him. He has been a binge drinker and has never admitted of his drinking problem. I can easily identify with many of the experiences of an alcoholic wife. I still worry that one day I could really reach the end of my rope, more so now that I have set my boundaries and am sticking to it. But I have to truly surrender first to God and allow Him to lead us to His will. I am staying because I am married in church, and the covenant is not just between me and my husband but with God. We don't even have children to worry of. As I have said in my other post, I think I have lost that romantic notion but I continue loving my husband as a person. The choice to stay or not to stay is still there, but it really is up to God where He will lead me. It's so hard to put in words what I would like to convey, something is happening in my life - a process... a Miracle In Progress! Take care of yourself, Live and Let Live, Let Go, Let God!
Hugs,
Jocel