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Here's the situation, it hasn't even been two solid weeks of me going to alanon to give me strength not knowledge, he came home distraught says we need to talk, to make a long story short he says because of his abandonment from when he was a child to the alcohol to not having a happy healthy relationship to not even knowing what one consists of , that, he feels loved and secure and whole by having more intimacy more in every way from the bedroom to holding hands More more more now I give mayb not as often as I should but he says he'd feel like hes wanted if I can do that and then the fights won't be so bad because hed feel more secure in one area.... He also throws in my face how I don't do enough things for him that he likes , like watching football or that I didn't go to enough of his softball games . My schedule is retail it is ever changing not consistent i write it on our calendar for him to see, I feel like I just got bashed . How do I proceed?
Hi ML! Glad you're back - great question! In fact, I think I posted something very similar to this conversation last spring. For me, the foundation of my program is to keep my focus on myself. So - I had to ask myself "is intimacy something that I want or need right now?". If it was, then fine. But I tried to check and double check how to proceed by asking myself if I was making a decision out of pressure from my AH, to stop an argument, or because I was worried I might "rock the boat". Often I was! A sponsor and meetings really helped me through this issue. It's a tough one.
My AH had lived 30 years filling the void and the emptiness inside of him by any means necessary. My AH would do Anything not to feel... so drugs, booze, sex, over eating, etc. etc. etc. he "used" it all and with an urgency and a volatility that I had never experienced before. with time I learned my job is not to keep him from experiencing that - it's a temporary fix and it was never enough! In fact, he now answers the question "What was your drug of choice?" by answering with a simple "MORE".
Also it helped me to remember that alcoholism is a disease that takes and takes but never gives. So, sometimes you will find that alcoholics couple up with people who give and give and rarely take. That was my disease. I rescued, fixed it, provided for him, pitied him, covered up, changed my job, did what he wanted and said "how high?" every time he said "jump!". This meant I could stay out of my own head and heart and not focus on the brokenness inside of ME. It was exhausting though and temporary and didn't fix anything at all.
The disease is terrible - alcohol and drugs change brain chemistry. My spouse however is not the disease - I have had to listen very carefully when we talk ( especially if we're distraught or emotional somehow ) to see if it's the disease speaking to me or my spouse. The disease might attempt to pressure me and lay on the guilt to get what it wants when it wants it. I try not to take that personally and I don't engage in that situation. If it's my husband though that urgency and pressure and "take take take" vocabulary is absent. Then I know it's a good time to discuss what we need to.
I hope you're able to step back and take a breath. Have you found a meeting that you liked? If not - the speaker tapes are a great way to get started along with this board and the readings.
I will say is a very loving boyfriend and does give a lot and does a lot for me could I be more affectionate sure absolutely but I feel like I walk on eggshells and don't know when to speak up or stay quiet. Or that if I give a little more will that be enough. I hate the thinking before you act ya know I'm finding it really hard, I want the best for him I do but I feel like I don't know what will hurt him that I do or what will enable him . He even said that if he felt more loved it would take away the utter bad feelin he get when we have an off day and don't get along. And we butt heads bad some days and he gets so extremely low about it that I don't know how to handle someone whose so ultra sensitive!!!
And what are the speaker tapes? I was going to go to a meeting tonight but He came at with this tonight in the verge of ready to leave me again
It's very important for A's (as for all of us) to experience the consequences of their actions. Not because we're deliberately planting those consequences as a way to manipulate them. But just because that's the way the world works. And A's typically try to numb out to escape feeling the consequences. So part of living a healthier life is to be present for the consequences.
One of those consequences is that when you've sown destruction and pain, people will want less to be close to you. Physically and emotionally.
So your hesitation in being closer is protective for you, and I think anyone except an A would understand that. (A's are frequently so consumed by the urgency of their demands that they don't pay attention to the fact that other people's needs are important too.) But your hesitation is also healthy for him. Because those are the consequences. It may not be comfortable for him. But authenticity in the relationship - that's a real relationship, not a fake one. A healthy relationship.
If he stays on the road of recovery, and you see that he is trustworthy and healthy himself, I'm sure the desire to be closer will grow naturally. For right now, there are other ways to get closeness. People without partners manage, don't they? Sharing his thoughts at his AA program; playing with his dog or another pet; getting together with friends; maybe getting a massage (not that kind! the regular kind). Part of growth is learning how to get needs met, and that there is never only one way.
For all of us, honoring our needs is an important part of our journey. Your needs are to take it slowly, as you've described. That is self-protective and healthy too. I hope you will honor that too. Hugs.
Mylife16 - some of the first self-protection phrases I learned here were, "Let me think about that", "I need some time to process", "You've caught me off-guard"....these statements validate that I have heard what is presented and will think/consider/process it.
As far as what comes next, that's up to you - your life, your choice. I do agree with those above me, addiction is a disease or more and many things are chased after to fill a void. When I am able to use one of those statements above, it gives me time to consider my needs, examine my motives, talk with a sponsor or trusted program friend. I don't do well with 'force situations' so when time allows, it is time I will take to consider me above others.
Positive thoughts headed your way and huge (((hugs)))!!
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Practice the PAUSE...Pause before judging. Pause before assuming. Pause before accusing. Pause whenever you are about to react harshly and you will avoid doing and saying things you will later regret. ~~~~ Lori Deschene
Thank you for this post. I'm having a revelation just reading this.
My AH is seeking intimacy he has for a while been pointing to me, saying I don't seek him out, wondering if I am less attracted to him. And I have been unclear or denying- assuring him I do love him but not being clear that I also feel less interested as a natural consequence of his actions. He has been seeking my attention heavily since his last binge and subsequent decision to quit drinking.
I had understood this as him rushing me back to "normal" and that may be part of it but I also see him trying to avoid his emotional bottom. If he gets affection and validation from me he doesnt have to face his feelings or experience the natural consequences of his poor performance as a husband and father.
hmmmm, a lot to think about and some things I need to do differently.
MyLife, thank you for this share. It made me think and it seems like what's happening in Taraxacum's house is exactly what's happening in mine...I am now understanding what's going on. After a binge my AH will sometimes call or text to apologize and by the end of the conversation is trying to make me feel guilty that I can't rush home from work to comfort him! Ahhh, deep breath.