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I am in a difficult situation right now and hope I can get the opinion of you all.
My best friend, lets call her Monica, is not a active alcoholic right now, but was in the past, she doesn't think she ever had a problem either. This isn't the reason I want to end our friendship. The reason is Monica isn't available for me at all and I am wondering if I am just being too needy.
An example of a situation that hurt my feelings happened two weeks ago. I spent some time gathering a few photos from our childhood and texted them to her. She ignored the photos and instead responded with pictures of her baby. I started to cry when she did this because it just felt like she didn't care. This isn't the first time this has happened. Monica lives very far away from me, so the only way we can maintain the friendship is through the phone. Monica also just had a baby 6 months ago and I totally understand she is busy, but how hard is it to respond with two words instead of showing off your baby.
Before Monica had her baby she was the same way, unavailable most of the time, put her boyfriend first and didn't really ever want to hang out unless her boyfriend was included. I know me and her have grown apart tremendously and I am ready to just end it with her, but I am scared.
Today I got in a argument with her because last night she texted me just to get my Hulu password so she could use what I pay for free. I then tried to text with her about other things and she just ignores it. So I got upset with her today and finally told her how I feel. She of course got defensive, but she apologized, but also made excuses. I have tried to end our friendship in the past and we just end up talking a month later. The reason it is so scary to end our friendship is that I have no other friends but her. I guess I feel bad for even caring. I feel like I should be more like her and just stuff my feelings and pretend everything is fine, but that is not who I am.
This is such a complex situation that I could fill pages full of information, but I don't think anyone would have the patience for that, lol. What should I do? Am I being too needy? Monica doesn't want our friendship to end, but she also puts almost zero effort into keeping it. Actions speak louder than words, right? When I was active in Alanon years ago my sponsor wanted me to end the friendship, but I couldn't really see why. Now I am wondering if she was right.
It sounds as if it is not a fully reciprocal friendship.
When I had something very similar happen to me, I asked my therapist if I should end the friendship. What my therapist said was that there are different levels of friendship - close, and friendly but not too close, and pleasant but not in contact much, and so on. She said it wasn't always a matter of black and white, all or nothing, be friends or don't be friends, but sometimes a matter of just putting the person farther out in the circle. So if they're not capable of being a close friend, you might have them as a sometimes-in-contact-on-Facebook friend, or whatever. She said, "If you have a long history, that might be worth something, worth not cutting someone off completely, and also you go on and find the other people who are capable of being closer friends."
This jibed with what I had been reading in the books by Harriet Lerner ("The Dance of Anger," etc.) She points out that when you cut someone off, it's still a relationship of high intensity - it's just that now it's high-intensity absence. She says that often a healthier option is to transition the friendship into a low-intensity friendship or relationship - basically moving the person outward in the circle. So you don't have a big "break-up" or announce anything, you just ease yourself out of the high intensity contact, don't expect much of them, maybe send Christmas greetings or birthday greetings once a year, or if they get in contact, you say "Great to hear your news! All's well over here," but you don't engage much. Not because you're punishing them or hoping to manipulate a different outcome or anything, just because you're invested in other things.
I know the temptation to blow up and say "I've had it with this! I can't take any more of your terrible treatment!" can be big. I've certainly felt it, anyway. But I think some people just don't have it in them to be fully reciprocal, and once we've expressed ourselves and seen that they can't do any more, it just leaves a bad feeling to blow up. The saying "Say what you mean, mean what you say, and don't say it mean" has kept me on the right path many times, even though I don't do it perfectly. But it's something to aim for.
We also tend to overfocus on one relationship when others are empty. Maybe the most helpful thing you could do is to start to cultivate some new friendships which will be more rewarding down the line. I know that difficult friends are less disappointing and painful when I have other people to socialize with. I hope you'll take good care of yourself.
Sunflower your friend sounds very self absorbed . Since you have been acquainted for years this seems to be her normal behavior. Wanting her to act differently is a waste of time. I found I had to act differently in order for my life to improve. I agree you can still keep her as a friend as long as you learn to draw healthy boundaries on her. This will take time and practice .
Asking for and obtaining your HULU password is an example of her crossing boundaries-- Her not acknowledging the childhood photos and instead sending pictures of her child was hurtful , inconsiderate and un supportive It is important for you to learn how to validate yourself and so I would suggest that you search out alanon face to face meetings and resume attendance. Developing healthy tools to live by while connecting with like minded members is very important. You could also look into joining clubs that support your interests and branch out that way Keep coming back Happy Holiday to you as well
I have a similar situation. A few years after I was in recovery, I decided to end a friendship with a gal I was friends with for 25 years. There was bad feelings there ..I said what I needed to. We took a break for a long time about a year. We still haven't talked on the phone, but we have texted and she comments on my work Facebook. I stay kind to her and compassionate. I may not have lived with her but I know the disease broke down her self love. I still love her, maybe she drinks maybe not. It's not my business. In my case,being a adult child of alcoholism myself, I'm attempting to stay in today and not think in black and white or all or nothing terms anymore. As the above poster said there can be all kinds of relationships there are no perfect relationships and not all relationships are close or the way they once were. Relationships are always evolving, teaching us something. I'm attempting to focus on my own inventory in all my relationships...where did I fail to set boundaries or detach with love? What was my motives in this? Was I trying to change or rearrange someone? I still do it sometimes. The way my friend grew up, the person she was conditioned to be is not my business. She is doing the best she can do with her conditioning.Taking care of myself is my business and doing my best to work my program and not fall back on my own conditioning.
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Hi there,
I know how hurtful those kinds of things can be. I had a best friend who behaved in a similar manner. She was my best friend since high school, she was my maid of honour, she was my BFF. But she wasn`t a very good friend to me. Despite countless people pointing this out to me over the years (my mother, my other BFF, my husband) I continued to cling desperately to this friend that was very hot and cold. When she wanted to be friends or needed something she was the BEST most thoughtful person. And when she didn`t want to be around she wouldn`t. She asked to be my maid of honour in my wedding and she was but when her wedding came along I was not the maid of honour and I wasn`t even invited to her brunch the next morning (I heard about it from other guests who assumed I had been invited). I suffered hurtful thing after hurtful thing over and over again. Never validating my feelings, never setting boundaries with her. She moved overseas for a few years and that helped me get some distance from her. IN that time I developed other friendships and could see that that friendship wasn`t healthy for me. Then about a year ago I got a letter from her. It was a letter saying that she was apologizing for her part of all the problems in our relationship, she wanted to be closer, she cared about me and she was sorry and she would understand if I couldn`t be friends with her. I was eager to rebuild the friendship so I emailed her and we communicated back and forth for a while and then within a week of that she announced that she and her family were moving back near me. And I wasn`t in Al anon I had no program but I believe HP sent me the strength to pull out. I didn`t make some huge announcement that I didn`t want to be friends. I somehow found a way to let it go. The things she did (or didn`t do) didn`t hurt me anymore. I just let things drift apart and it was ok. It was finally time to let it go. Once in a while I think fondly of her but I don`t regret my actions one bit. I still have fond memories of the good time but there has been absolutely no regret in letting that friendship go. I don`t think it was a good friendship for either of us. I wish her well and I move on with my life. And since I let that friendship go I found some new friends in my life. Healthier friendships that sustain me and get me through tough times.
I wish you all the best in whatever approach you take with your friendship.
Sunflower: I have been wanting to comment about how I lost touch w/ a friend who would've been my friend for 45 years. I thought she was my "best" friend & there was no one like her. She went away & never came back into my life again. I have regrets that maybe I was too needy or something. I wanted to talk to her daily at one time but she had to protect herself. Her brother had gotten into a lot of trouble & she needed to concentrate more on him. I felt sad. I didn't know how to regain the friendship the way it was. I now realize that it will never be the way it was especially in high school. We went to a different high school than I did. Anyhow, I would do almost anything to get her friendship back but I don't think she would want to be my friend again after so much water under the bridge. I felt fortunate too that went to the same college. But that was short-lived.
I still miss her so much. It seems like I will always miss her. If I had the chance, the first thing I would do was give her a big hug!
I don't know what you should do about your friend. I just hope whatever happens you won't feel like you made a mistake.
Kathleen
Oh yeah, to tell the truth, I think she is an alcoholic. She showed signs of it the last time I talked to her on the phone.
I had a friend whom I was friends with for just over 25 years. We went through a lot together but as we got older, it seemed like I was the only one maturing at all. His drinking was one of the factors leading to me ending it - when we went to a bar once, I remember the bartender asking me confidentially: Why are YOU friends with HIM? Well, we stuck together, we were buddies. When we worked out, we were buddies. When we watched movies or played games, we were buddies. When we went to the same college, we were buddies. When we lost family members, we were buddies. When we were out at a restaurant and he called the waitress a racial slur and drunkenly tossed napkins around like a 2 year old kid, we were....wait, were we? When we got kicked out of a bar because he was harassing someone...no, that's not right...when he got drunk and caused a scene at the mall...
...yeah, that's when I had to get off that ride. When HIS actions were interfering with MY life and this was no longer a healthy person to be around, I cut ties. I never once looked back. I can even remember driving him home after that mall incident and telling him I was done. He laughed like he didn't care, and drunkenly walked up the steps and into his home.
His wife and I remain very very loose friends even 10 years later, almost old acquaintences now. But she never faulted me for leaving him, and just divorced him last year. Some people just don't change.
So I can't tell you what is best for YOU, just my story. Take what you will from that. But you deserve to be with healthy people who make you feel good!
-- Edited by Seymore on Monday 14th of December 2015 08:13:41 PM