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Next Step?


Hello -

I posted a couple of days ago about my brother, who is currently in a brief addiction/behavior program as a result of a second DUI and his threat to harm himself.

I talked to him last night and he's remorseful and said he never plans to drink again (yeah, yeah, I know...), wants to stop hanging around with the same people (he's 23) and how he's going to focus on going after a job in Chicago that was offered to him (we live in NJ). He wants to spend more time with me and said that he needs everyone to give him one last chance.

The family is convinced that he needs to spend time in a longer term (at least 30 days) treatment facility. Coming back home to my parents means that he'll soon be miserable and the behavior cycle will start all over again. (Just two weeks ago, he punched my father in the face while drunk - he'd never done that before. He apologized the next day and said he wouldn't drink again. That only lasted a week and I think partly because he had the flu!)

My questions are, what kind of help/support can we give him without sending the message that things are all ok? He has no money, no job and now, no license. He can hope all he wants that he'll be focused, but we all know what will happen without the right care - especially with so much working against him. He told me last night that he'll never drink again because he knows what happens when he does, BUT that he's not an alcoholic. How can we make it clear that we expect him to go into a longer-term program once he gets out of the short-term one he's in now? You can't force someone to do that, but in the meantime, we have to live with him.

My parents understand what they're dealing with. There will be no judging, yelling, etc. But at the same time, we all need a strategy for how to stay firm, but supportive.

Thoughts?

Brian

PS - Hopefully, one day I'll get to the point where I can start helping others on this board. For now, you guys are the experts and I need all of the insight I can get smile.gif



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one word: HAZELDEN.

A great treatment facility: high rate of success. Please google it and look into it. There is a facility in NY and MN. I highly recommend the MN one, have known many people who went through and have stayed sober for the long haul. Particularly because he is so young (and more open to change, not so physically affected yet: alcoholism is cumulative), I highly recommend a GREAT (not a so-so or good) longer-term treatment facility.

Its NOT cheap. Your parents may need to foot the bill, there is some financial aid/help available but do not count on it. Good luck, J.

-- Edited by Jean4444 at 14:40, 2008-02-04

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I would say that you might want to hang further help on concrete signs of him getting his act together - he can stay at your parents home if he is actively pursuing a program of recovery, say, or he'll get help with his bills if he is working and saving money, or anything that you think you are willing to stand by.

The hard part is finding boundaries that you are willing to enforce, and making sure they are YOUR boundaries, rather than attempts to control the A.  That is, a boundary would be, say, that he is not welcome in your home when he is drunk.  You are not telling him not to drink, you are telling him what YOU are willing to put up with.  This can work.  However, if the consequence is one that you aren't willing to come through on, it does no good at all - "Stop drinking forever or I'll never speak to you again" - this type of thing only works if you are really willing never to speak to him again.  And, of course, 'working' doesn't mean it makes him stop drinking, just that it gets the drinking out of YOUR life. 

That's why in this program we talk a lot about baby steps - it may end up that the only possible road forward for you and your parents is to cut off all help for your brother. However, it doesn't sound like you are anywhere near that point, and trying to force yourself to it won't work - you will back down, and no gains will be made at all.  Much better to make a tiny change that you know you can stick to than vow to make a huge one that you can't.  If all you can manage to start with is something as small as "If you vomit all over my bathroom, I won't clean it up for you", then that is a step in the right direction, and if it's all you can do right now, it's still an improvement.

In my own life, it was amazing how much difference very small changes made, to the level of happiness in the home.  One example - I stopped sitting by the window wondering where my husband was, whether he was drinking, when he'd be home, and started taking the kids for a walk most evenings.  Once they were in bed, I'd do some yoga.  Very very often, he would get home, maybe drunk maybe not, while I was doing these things.  Since I wasn't waiting at the door to jump on him, he became less defensive and we fought less.  He was drinking exactly as much, but it became less of a problem in our lives.  When he finally sobered up, it had very little to do with me, and in fact his drinking and drug use hadn't been a topic of conversation with us for months. It was sad and difficult to watch him go downhill, but he was not dragging me and the kids with him.

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I agree with lin0606.  Perhaps 'baby steps' is best at this point. 

I took baby steps at first because I wasn't willing to do more.


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Aloha Brian!!

He is in a brief program you say?  Can you contact them?  Can you get a copy of his assessment?  He says he is not alcoholic.  What does his assessment say! The disease has progress to the point that he has physically assaulted your father?  Did your father file a TRO?  He is spending less time in jail for a DUI than the assault?  Police and court NEED to know the progression of the disease.   This disease lives off of fear...Is the family afraid? 

You are correct and have the right skeptical attitude about the promises.  That's one point for you; nothing for the family.  Learning to be even more skeptical will save you and your family a ton of trouble.  He is at the point where it is better not to listen to what he says and only watch and judge his behaviour (by his I mean the alcoholic who has replaced your brother). 

When the disease has progressed to out of control behavior that includes assault the line has been crossed.  He has gone beyond even his own values and a short stay program will not buffer that at all.  There is no short stay program that is available that will work.  The booze owns him!!  He doesn't own himself.

What I am suggesting here comes from my past practice as a alcohol and substance abuse behavioral health counselor. (Broke my anonymity but what the hell).  There are alot of programs out there that are available for him and some are most expensive.  He doesn't have a job so there for no medical coverage and probably no cobra coverage.  Medical/aid not a chance for long term that I know of.  AA is the most significant success available to him and it is free except for voluntary contributions and yet....it must require him to be honest (I am an alcoholic and have problems not drinking so I need help) and willing (I am going to AA starting now and will continue on a daily basis) in order for the start to be made.  What you and the family must know is that AA does not make guarantees.  That program will and does work if it is worked on a daily basis for the rest of his life.  If he isn't ready it's either insanity or death.

Sounds like the insanity stage has already been reached.  If he has physically abused his father the death part can come next.  The death mentioned in the discription of alcoholism does not signify a death to the alcoholic alone.  Family, friends and associates can also die as a result of his drinking consequences and I have heard of more than many such victims.  This is the most powerful, cunning and baffling disease I have ever witnessed.  It cannot be treated with kid gloves.  Even those of us who work with the alcoholic don't use kid gloves ever.

See if he has had a legitimate assessment and hold it up to the light.  Also have the family take an Al-Anon assessment...the pamphlet about being affected by another persons drinking will help with that.  A merry-go-round called denial will also be good information for the family.

These are suggestions.  If you take them you will be more aware.  If you don't you and the family will be even closer to harms way.

In love and service.  (((((hugs))))) smile

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Part of the insanity for the family is that we believe the lies ,  over and over again  we have expectations that things will change this time and they do *they get worse* this is a disease and it is progressive , it only gets worse never better. Until we stop enabling absolutley nothing will change .   This disease is running your bothers life at the moment and until he says  Enough , it will continue . support  him by finding Al-Anon meetngs for yourself learn about the disease .  goodluck  Louise

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