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Hello everyone!


I think this is where I need to be.  I attended a few alanon meetings over a year ago, but I have since moved to an area where we don't have a chapter.  Anyway, I think I just need to share my experience so that I can help clarify it for myself.  So, here it goes...


I am 32 years old.  My two year wedding anniversary is this Monday, and I am currently 26 weeks pregnant with our first baby (boy).  My husband has an alcohol problem that we have been dealing with since the day we got married.  Our courtship was very quick, and I didn't fully realize the extent of his alcohol issue at the time we got married.  I knew he had a problem, but thought it was more related to maturity then an illness.  He is two years younger than me- in college (before I knew him), he was a "party guy"- president of his fraternity at a very large university.  I figured he just hadn't quite "grown up" yet and this is why he would drink so much.  At the beginning of our marriage, he would drink a bottle of Jack Daniels a night...although I didn't fully appreciate just how much he was drinking.  After we were married, he would often be drunk, but I didn't realize how often.  I finally realized that we couldn't keep alcohol in the house- I mean, if we bought alcohol, it was gone in a day or two.  This was odd for me because before I was married, I could have a bottle of Jack in my apartment for an entire year.  I never drink alone, and I don't much enjoy being drunk.  There were many times early in the marriage when he would be drunk and/or drive when he should not have been driving.  We talked about the problem several times, and he would always say I was over reacting because I am a "non-party person" or because I am a physician and we are "trained to be unrealistic about alcohol"- his words.  Well, about 6 months after we were married, we moved to Florida (I am a military physician).  During our time in Florida, his drinking became much worse.  Over the Christmas period, he was stuck in California while I was in Florida because his job (at the time, civilian govt employee) wouldn't let him transfer until the following month.  He drank every night in his BOQ room- when he would call me, he would be slurring his words.  He didn't have to punch a time clock or be in an office for his job, so he would just drink and hang out in his rrom all day.  When he finally came to Florida, his drinking was out of control.  We had a big fight about it (not physical, just a lot of yelling) and he agreed he had a problem and would cut back.  Instead, he started drinking behind my back.  I had to be up early, so he would stay up late at night after I went to bed and get drunk.  I'd smell it on his breath, but he would deny it.  His eyes would be bloodshot and he would have nystagmus, but he would down play it.  Then one day while he was at work, I got the urge to snoop.  I went through out home office and found empty vodka bottles in his desk drawer and discovered his golf bag was full of those "nippers"- those tiny bottles- see, at the time he had "self-regulaed" and said he was only going to drink the tiny bottles so he could control his alcohol.  I confronted him about it which led to a HUGE blow out argument (once again, no physical violence- he has never once hit me or even attempted).  After a few days, he told me he had had an epiphany and that he knew he had a problem and was going to cut back.  He did...the amount would wax and wane, but he definitely cut back.  I also never found any more empty bottles anywhere.  Well, 6 months later, we relocated back to Florida with the military where he had to give up his govt job and instead took the bar exam to become a practicing attorney (he has his law degree).  For the first few months, he had a job with a law practice that prevented him from drinking as much because he had to be up and ready to go early every a.m.  Problem is that he hated the job and had a real jerk for a boss.  He eventually told her he didn't plan to do that type of law forever (meaning years down the road) and she decided to repay him by firing him 2 days before Christmas.  Well, drinking back on the up swing, more confrontations.  We reached a point when everytime he was drunk, he had to sleep in the guest room.  He would drink/get drunk about three times a week which he thought was a good thing because it was "only 3 nights a week".  One night, he got drunk off his butt and was outside smoking cigarettes with his friend and I went out and took away the cigs...well, that led to a huge argument where he screamed and yelled, I locked the bedroom door and he burst in, threw stuff around (not ever at me) and then stormed out of the room.  The next day, I cried and told him he had frightened me...he told me he was sorry and said it would never happen again.  BTW, since then, that incident has become "my" fault because I instigated it by taking away his cigarettes which "I had no right to do".  Anyway, one day he comes to me and tells me he is tired of being a terrible person and hates the fact that his wife doesn't like him 3 days out of every week and that he is going to cut back.  He is tired of living like this.  We have a huge discussion where he comes up with his own plan for sobriety (I should mention a few things- he has major depressive disorder and takes 2 antidepressants because one doesn't work...actually two together don't work either because his big problem is alcoholism and antidepressants don't work while you are drinking...and he gets his meds from his dad who is an OB/GYN rather than going to his psychiatrist...dad by the way is also an alcoholic and divorced from his mom after 30yrs of marriage due to infidelity on his part and alcoholism..of course dad tells him he has depression and readily gives him his meds because he is in denial of both his own problem and my husband/his son's problem).  I think this was right after we found out we were pregnant with our first child...he talked all about how growing up with an alcoholic father was terrible and he doesn't want top be that way with his son.  He decides he is going to slowly cut back to two nights a week and then one and then quit altogether before the baby is born (due this December).  Key is that he doesn't want to quit drinking altogether- he has made it very clear that drinking is important to him- he enjoys it and it relaxes him and he will not ever stop drinking entirely or go to AA meetings or the like (interesting side note- he got in trouble in college while studying abroad for a public drunken incident- when he got back to the states, his mom made him go to AA meetings where he decided "those guys had a much bigger problem than I do").  Well, things got much better...he cut back to two nights a week...and then badness happened.  His alcoholic father who is now re-married to a total enabler (the woman he cheated on my husband's mom with) decides to move away from the east coast and take a job practicing right here in our very own rural California town.  My father-in-law introduced my husband to alcohol at an early age and would force him to drink with him in his teens- their entire relationship up until now has been based on booze...at least that is what my husband used to say.  It is irritating to watch him interact with his father because everytime his dad would call, my husband would automatically start drinking while talking to him- its like they can't have a sober conversation.  Anyway, his father moves out here and buys a house about a mile away from ours.  Right before he came out here.  we went back east to visit my mother-in-law who one night after my husband got drunk, then angry at everyone's "disaproval" and then passed out in bed, decided to tell me every detail of her marriage to my husband's alcoholic father.  She also told me about how he has no boundaries and how he is moving out here to have a drinking buddy and that the entire family is concerned that my husband will become a raging alcoholic under his father's influence.  Well, my husband and I had discussed this because I had the same concerns.  He insisted that he was a grown man and his father had no influence over him anymore- he planned to have a new relationship with his dad not based on alcohol.  There were going to be ground rules and no one was to be drunk around our son to be.  All crap- his father came out here and right away my husband's drinking picked up again.  He was only drinking 2 nights a week when he came to me and told me he wasn't happy with that and he was going to go back to three.  His dad comes over or he goes over to his dad's most days of the week- it is the exception when they don't drink together.  We had a big discussion about the alcohol and he said he was going to cut back- instead he just started drinking more.  He would confide in his dad about my disaproval of the alcohol use and although he denies it, I know his dad totally manipulates the situation and encourages my husband to drink despite my wishes.  Then my husband did something he has never done before which is almost strong arm me over the issue- laying the bottom line that he will never stop drinking, this is his problem, and I need to stop nagging and butt the hell out.  He would shut down during any conversation about alcohol (he used to be more receptive) and defend his dad and deny his dad has a serious alcohol problem (after all, his dad is a successful doctor despite his drinking- why can't he be a successful attorney?  The man drinks vodka while he runs on his treadmill for goodness sake!  I honestly don't know how he has never had his medical license taken away...for as much as he drinks, he must have at some point gone to work with at least a hangover).  His dad gave him an old kegerator (sp?) which he has now hooked up in his dude room (refinished garage), so now he keeps alcohol stashed out in the fridge where obviously I can't keep track of it because I don't really hang out there.  SO, I tried a new tactic.  I told him he can do whatever the heck he wants, but he needs to keep me out of it.  I don't want to know about his drinking, any plans for quitting, his next plan for sobriety- I don't want to hear about his depression or how his meds don't work.  I don't want to be involved.  It is his prblem and he needs to fix it.  I have to say, this is harder said than done.  He was so happy for me to butt out...now he drinks whenever the heck he feels like it.  It is hard for me to ignore it.  I am actually a bit angry too because about three weeks ago when I was 23 weeks pregnant, he went to visit his buddy to help him move and basically get drunk all weekend.  I was here by myself and developed pre-term contractions.  I had to drive myself over to the hospital where they put me in a helicopter and flew me 45 minutes to a bigger hospital.  He joined me the next day- he had to sleep to sober up.  They kept me in the hospital for a week- he was very sweet and stayed with me the entire time, but half way through the week, he left the hospital for the evening to go drinking with some of my workers (my medical assistants) and came back to the hospital drunl, passed out, and snored all night (he was allowed to stay in my hospital room).  Well, the day I am finally released, we come home, his dad comes over, and the two proceed to get wasted together after I asked him not too just in case I needed to go to the hospital again.  Well, I am now 26 weeks, just came off bed rest, and where is he this weekend?  Went to hang with his buddy and spend the weekend getting drunk 2 hours from here.  Let's up this weekend is uneventful.  Anyway, I have just reached a point where I am fed up.  I am sick of dealing with this crap.  I am horribly upset that his dad came out here and is encouraging this behavior when he honestly had made a huge improvement.  I don't like the fact that I can't rely on him when I have had problems in this pregnancy (which his dad in his "expert opinion" downplays so that my husband will drink with him).  I worry that he is going to drink when the baby gets here (he says he won't- yeah right) and I am going to get stuck doing everything.  I don't want my son to become an alcoholic like his father, grandfather, and great grandfather.  I love my husband more than anything and outside of this issue, we have a wonderful relationship- but this is a BIG issue which continues to give us problems and cause arguments.  It is the only thing we fight about.  I am tired of my husband sitting on the couch all day when he has free time (which is often because he started his own law office- convenient b/c he doesn't have to go in if he is hung over)...I feel like I get stuck withh all of the housework and "adult duties" of the house while he zones out in front of the TV- due to depression secondary to alcohol and being hung over.  I am at my wits end, and I don't know what to do.  I have only been trying the "keep me out of it" strategy for about 2 weeks, so I can't tell if it will work.  All I know is he seems to be drinking almost everyday- not always to the point of intoxication, but usually.  He thinks he is improved because he no longer gets drunk alone- except he does.  I don't want our son to be used as the tool to get him sober.  I don't want to get divorced....but I also don't want to waste my life dealing with his problem.  He says I need him, but truthfully, it is the other way around.  I am the main breadwinner, and I am a doc in the military- there are plenty of single moms in the military.  He on the other hand has no income as he has just started this practice.  I really don't want divorce- I love him and love spending time with him when he is sober.  I just hate this illness and hate the fact that I can't cure him.  I also resent my father-in-law for moving here and emotionally manipulating my husband.  I want to transfer so badly just to get away from him, but will likely be in the area for a few more years.  It feels good to type this all out- I have absolutely no one I can talk to about this.  HELP!!  Any feedback is appreciated.    


 



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Welcome AH,

Lots to absorb when you first break through the denial that your spouse may be an alcoholic. This board and the chat room offer much support = we don't give advice but we can offer suggestions that have worked through us by our own experience, strength and hope.

Congrats on your first post. A huge step and keep coming,
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WOW AH27...our stories are similar in so many ways...only we are both teachers, not a doctor and lawyer.


My husband and I also married in college, at the same age you did and there is the same age difference between me and my husband, and I too did not realize the extent of his drinking problem.  He too manages to be successful, is more than halfway to his PhD despite being a seriously heavy drinker and alcoholic.


I too wonder how he keeps it up, he is a college professor in mathematics for heaven's sake...how can he teach those classes with such a booze soaked brain?  He never goes to work drunk, but like you said about your FIL, he has to have at least a hangover when he goes.


Well...that was 13 years ago and despite my herculean efforts to keep things together things are falling apart anyway.


It seems that our husband's are cut from the same cloth.  My husband too says that I am "unrealistic" about alcohol and the "joy" it brings to people's life since I am a "goody two shoes".  He also says the same as your husband about the fact that he never wants to stop drinking as it brings him too much joy.  He says he should not have to quite doing something that is legal, feels good, brings him more joy than anything else in life, and is in the BIBLE...sigh.


He says  if alcohol is so bad, how come he is so successful?  This is where our stories differ.   I am a lowly state certified teacher who did not finish their MS program.  Husband has more education than I and is far more successful than I (he has not only finished his MS, but is close to completion of his PhD), so he gets to throw that in too.  He says "If alcohol was so bad, how come I am more successful than you?  How come I make more money than you?  How come I am in better shape than you". 


Somehow he seems to ignore the fact that being drunk 99.9% of the time that he is not at work does not make him a great guy.


Well, I am 13 years into this journey and I can tell you that I FINALLY resign myself to the fact that he is a lost cause.  There is something inherintly wrong with him to not see or care what alcohol is doing to him.  I think of him as a person who has jumped off of a building to kill themselves and sort of met me halfway down as I was leaning to look out the window and is clinging to me with one hand and trying to pull me down with him with the other, but is still on his way down.


My husband too does not want help, or think that he needs it.  He thinks that only homeless people are alcoholics, that a successful college professor can't possibly be an alcoholic.  SIGH!


They say that alcholism is a progressive disease and I see that is true.  When we first got married my husband was more of a binge drinker on the weekends and he never drink and drove and managed to control himself pretty much.


Over the years he has progressed to drinking until he wets his pants, mistakes the fridge for a toilet, barks like a dog, thinks that star wars is real and going on right now in a galaxy far far away, yells and screams at us on a regular basis, and worst of all, drinks and drives on a regular basis. 


Thank goodness we never had a baby together, but I did bring a daughter from a previous marriage into our marriage.  She got to see all of that, not good.


Your husband will likely get worse if he does not seek some sort of help, which seems unlikely if he is anything like my husband.


You say you love your husband and don't want a divorce.  Well, I don't blame you, no one newly married and pregnant would want a divorce.  I hope it works out, but just buckle your seatbelt, you are in for the ride of your life.


If you ever want to talk since our stories are so similar, feel free to email me at:


ijecheagaray@gmail.com


I hope that you are taking care of yourself.  Being pregnant, a physician, and dealing with not only an alcoholic husband, but also an entire sick family (his Dad, etc.) sounds like a mighty heavy load!  I really sympathize with you for your FIL being so cynical about your premature labor pains, ugh, I hate that.  When it is your first pregnancy you need support and compassion and understanding, not to be dismissed.  Please take care of you AND the baby! 


Alanon will help you learn to take care of you (and those who depend on you like that precious baby!) despite the alcoholics in your life.  I wish you well and hope things get better.


Much Love and Welcome...


Isabela



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You have a chance here to set some boundaries before your baby is born.  Get the focus off what he is doing and start concentrating on the health of yourself and your baby.  Your life is not going to get easier only tougher when the baby is born as you will be mentally and physically drained.  You do have options with the military behind  you.  Start thinking about what sort of life you want your beautiful baby boy to have.  This should be the happiest moment in your life don't let your husband spoil it no matter how much you love him.  Luv Leo xx

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I am so sorry you are dealing with this and being pregnant.  We've all dealt with these issues at one time or another.  I will tell you some things I've learned---they will only stop when they are ready---and not one moment before.  Nothing you do or say will stop them from drinking.  You do need to take care of yourself and your baby---he may not be able to do so.  Please try to not allow his drinking or not drinking to make you happy.  And know that you do not need to make any major decisions now---just be healthy and enjoy your life and take it as it comes.   You will know when a decision needs to be made. 


Read the old posts--you will learn so much.  I have grown so much this last year.  My husband has accepted that he is an alcoholic and cannot drink at all but he has had a few relapses despite his knowledge.  He's trying so hard and it is not an easy road even during "recovery." 


Please keep reading and posting and best wishes to you and your family.


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Thank you everyone for your kind words.  I know it was a really long email...it just felt good to get the whole story out.  It is frustrating not having anyone to talk to about it- my mom and I are really close, but with this topic, she takes on a "see I told you so" attitude which doesn't help at all.  It's good to be able to talk to other people who have been through the same thing. 


Isabela40- our stories do sound similar...thanks for your thoughts.  I guess the most irritating thing about the situation is that my husband has moments of clarity.  He will deny he has a problem and then suddenly have a day of insight where he states "I am an alcoholic, I have a problem, I am stuck in a rut, I am just so depressed, I don't like drinking alone, I don't want to be a slave to booze".  He has even recently admitted that he knows the alcohol prevents his anti-depressants from working- he used to deny this because "dad has been a doctor much longer than you and he says this isn't true". 


Isabella40- that is one way he gets me...he tells me his dad knows more than me because he has been a doctor for 30 years and me only five...the difference is I am in primary care and deal with these issues in my patients daily and his dad is OB/GYN (healthy women)...sigh.  So, they all do it I guess. 


I think it is the fact that he seems to have more insight than most alcoholics that gets me so upset.  He KNOWS he has a problem...he used to deny it but now he KNOWS and at low points asks for help....but than whatever crisis is resolved and he decides the problem isn't quite as big as he thought.  Right before his dad came out here, he decided he was going to stop drinking altogether for a while to "detox" and allow his medications to start working...see, HE said he drinks because he is anxious and depressed...if his meds worked, he wouldn't need the booze.  However, he states he would go back to drinking occasionally after his detox.  Except dad came out and the whole plan went out the window. 


His new thing is that he "knows what he needs to do" about his problem and that "only he can do it".  Okay, I get that...he needs to be the one to fix the problem...but drinking every day or every other day isn't the way to fix it.  Drinking every other day with your dad rather than by yourself is not an improvement (he thinks it is because he isn't drinking by himself anymore).


I don't know if it was more frustrating when he thought he had no problem or now when he knows he has a problem but just can't seem to do what he needs to do to fix it.  He says I am too impatient and that this can't be fixed overnight- no quick fix.  Yeah, that is probably true.  I just hate to see him back track...and HATE to see his dad manipulate him- he has NO insight into how his dad manipulates him.  His dad has been turning him against his mother...but he doesn't see it. 


Well, thanks for giving me a place I can talk about this issue.   



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I can see a lot of parallels in my situaiton to yours.  Dealing with an enmeshed family is very very difficult. My boyfriend on many levels is glued to his mother.  In a week or so his mother is going to have a blow out celebrations because she is getting married (she just met him).  I do not go out with my boyfriend to any of these celebrations (one I do not want to be around the drinking, two they go on for ever and my attempt to have boundaries result in lies).


I am sorry you are not feeling well. I can also empathise with the way your husband was.  When I have been sick my boyfriend is alternatively ok (he did come to the hospital when I was hospitalized) and absent.  Needless to say I feel totally abandoned and eventually those feelings of abandonment turn into really a lot of resentment.


I can definely understand the feeling of being stuck, making a commitment, trying to set limits, having circumstances overtake you.  I was very very very depressed before I came to al anon now my depression(while it is still here) is far more manageable.   At certain points I felt so trapped and alone and abandoned and resentful I became almost non functional.  I have to say that is not the case anymore.  I am very clear on my issues these days.  I am also very clear that I need to come here and voice my concerns, issues and more and get feedback. This is a fantastic place to do that.  What I most welcome about this room is lack of judgement (hey I have been judged and found guilty enough) and the sense of companionship and camaraderie and compassion and at the end of the day "love" there is here.  I hope you find here what I have it is very precious to me.


 


Maresie.


 


 



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AH27,


Welcome to MIP! We share experience, strength, and hope. We have alot of tools to help us understand the disease of alcoholism and get into our own recovery program. My initial reaction is to tell you to take good care of yourself so you can take good care of that new baby.


What leaps off the page to me are a couple of things. It sounds like you and your relatives are having a professional pissing contest of who is the most educated, experienced, and so forth. When it comes to alcoholism regardless of economic status, education, ethnic background, the playing field is leveled. Sometimes when we are in the profession that should know better we are the least objective. I am in the fitness profession and at times I am in the most denial about my eating and exercising habits.


One of the best sources of info that helped me understand why my AHsober did what he did was the Joe and Charlie tapes about the AA Big Book. Or just reading the Big Book. This is CAL I believe. It helped me understand the different types of alcoholics and the cravings and my role in all of this. Alanon was started because the spouses and families of alcoholics were in worse shape than the alcoholic!


Keep coming back. Bring the focus back to yourself. You will find alot of hope in this program.


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Wow, I really feel for you, it's funny how alcoholism crosses all lines.  It seems like money would complicate the issue and make it take longer for it to be too bad to bear.  Sometimes I think the more money and status you have the more you have to lose and the farther you fall though.  I remember when my son was born (he's 4 now) and my husbnad would leave the hospital and come back hours later.  He was a junkie then.  I didn't even notice that he looked like a skeleton until I looked back on the pictures, his eyes so sunken and hollow, his hair and beard graying at 35.  Denial is such an amazing thing, it protects us but it also allows us to get hurt so much more before it wears off.  All I know from my experience is that the longer it goes on the worse things get and you can never say how long it's gonna go on for.  You just have to decide what you are willing to deal with and what you're not and if you say something you better be prepared to back it up.  They have a saying Say what you mean and mean what you say!  I suspect that your entire perspective will change the moment you have that baby.  Take care of you and the baby, everything else is just clutter.

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Chat room is open 24/7 there here the link to www.mipchat.net or http://www.12stepforums.net/chatroom2.html 


Here are some things that have helped me since in the program.



  • Go face to face meeting & online meeting.
  • post on the board here on the site. I have gotten a lot of good feed back.

·        In this program u learn that u have choices. In Alanon we don’t give advice but only suggestions.


·        Set support system.  people do not judge. You need someone who can go for coffee on a bad day, or pick up a phone and call when in trouble. The support is what is important when you first this program.



  • Have a sponsor. Someone work one on one with you.

You don’t have to do this the minute u come to the program but I suggest that u do it when u can. It help.


 

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