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I feel silly asking more from each of you, but already the response has been overwhelming.  Thank you for those that posted a response to my original post.  Your ideas, suggestions and empathy have already lifted my heart!  I think that I am just so thankful to know that I am not alone and that my story is not far off from where you have been or currently are.  To be able to come on here and share is an amazing tool.  I can't wait to grow with this family!


Here is my question.  Once you have experienced these episodes with your A and time and time again the TRUST has been violated, how to do you get the trust back?  To me, trust in a marriage is the core of the marriage.  I just don't know how to keep trying to trust when so many times, the trust has been taken forgrantened.  There are times when I think that I have healed and then POOF he is back to the old routine.  But, I will tell you this, I have a sick sense when he is drinking.  I won't need to be around him for hours and I can sense no matter where I am, that the bottle has returned.  For instance, I can be at work and have that gut feeling that something is up.  Come home and find out that I was right with the instincts.  Have any of you ever experienced that?  People ask me how I know and I just respond that when you know the person you live with and they have/ or are an A, you just know.  It takes so much out of me because I feel more like a mother than a wife.  Can anyone relate to these feelings?   


Also, I hear a lot about tough love.  Are there books that discuss ways to implent tough love.  I try, but I always cave in the end.  I am a SAP and that is why I am hoping that al-anon meetings will help me with my obstacles as well. 


As always friends thanks for taking the time to read and listen to me pouring out my heart.  May your HP bless you in ways you never imagined and hold you in the palm of their hand!


Wifey



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You know, I think it is not so much a matter of trust as one of accepting reality. If you are living with an active A, trusting that he will not drink is just setting yourself up for disappointment. Of course your trust will be violated. It is more useful to accept that he will drink, and to think about what you will do about it.

Setting reasonable boundaries that take care of yourself, and that you will actually enforce, is a good way to start - for instance, you can say "When I am verbally abused, I will not try to defend myself, but will instead chose not to participate, and will leave the room, or the house". In this way, you are controlling your own behaviour, which is possible, instead of trying to control the A, which is not.

My husband drank and drugged throughout the first 17 years of our marriage. I said a lot of things, had a lot of confrontations, did a lot of nagging and drawing of lines in the sand. I may as well have saved my breath. I firmly believe, looking back on it now, that I didn't prevent even one drink from being taken - in fact, I gave him an excuse to drink (as if he needed one!) by my behaviour. After all, he was married to such a shrew!

He is sober now, but still has some real problems. I have chosen to pay as little attention to those as I can, and instead I focus on what he does to ME. Does he fulfill his obligations to me and the children? Does he treat me with affection and respect? This is what I have a right to expect - anything else is none of my business.

A book that you may find very helpful is "Getting them Sober" by TOBY RICE DREWS. It is not official alanon literature, buy many of us have found it very very helpful, full of useful tips on how to treat or not treat the A. The alanon program as such is much less focused on the A, and more on ourselves - getting on with our recovery, and getting out of the way of theirs.

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I can accept the reality, but the trust I have lost after experiencing episode upon episode is a different matter. With each binge I try to regain that trust , but it just will not come back. If he says or does something, "funny," I immediately think he is drinking again. And he doesn't disappoint. Even after a year's sobriety and 20+ years before that, I know there will always be another time. (And there was...last week)

So, dear one, I cannot answer your question, but I do know this...Complete trust? No, probably never again. And yes, there is that basic lack in the marriage or partnership that can and often does overwhelm it.

Keep coming back. This is a good place to vent your feelings amongst people who understand.

With caring, Diva

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Hi Wifey...


(((((((((((((((((((Wifey))))))))))))))))))))))))


I can relate to a lot of what you are saying.


My husband too broke our trust in our marriage.  I left my first husband at the first sign of adultery, that is just MY boundary and husband now knows this that I don't put up with that stuff from a HUSBAND.


So...as is often the case he steps his toe on my boundary without actually going over.  He began having "internet sex" and became invovled with porn and began specific internet relationships.  Sheesh what a creep!  Anyway I found out about it and confronted him.  He lied and denied, but I had printed the stuff out BEFORE I confronted him as I know how sneaky he is...besides, I have been through this before...sigh.


Anyway when he saw that lying did not work (he claimed that the porn I found was a virus that he had no control over, what an idiot!) he finally came clean when I told him the specific names of his "girlfriends" and told him that I had evidence locked up in a safe (all true).  Then he started a new song and dance about how it was all "fantasy"  and "like a video game" and not really cheating or adultery.  HAH!  Like I would buy that.  It didn't work and we separated...


We eventually got back together and I have to admit I still don't have full trust in him.  I feel like what he did was sort of peel back a curtain of what he is capable of...and that curtain can be pulled back again anytime.  Once a dishonest, unfaithful lying creep, always a dishonest, unfaithful lying creep, however they may at times keep a lid on this.


Anyway, perhaps you should get rid of that "tough love" philosophy when it comes to your husband.  Your husband is not your  son, you are not raising him!  Tough love is a philosophy for parents of rebellious children, it is supposed to teach them not to give in to them and indulge them, but to be firm about discipline and conseqeunces, not stepping in to "rescue them" and letting them suffere the natural conseqeunces of their actions.  What are you doing rescuing your husband in the first place?  He is an adult.  You are not his Mom. 


Perhaps stop rescuing him in general?  Stop acting like a parent towards him?  Stop thinking in parenting terms like "tough love" when it comes to other adults who are your peers.  Why are you wanting to learn how to "implement" tough love?  It is a discipline technique for raising CHILDREN, not one for relating to our adult peers.


Everyone is different, but I would never dream of policing my husband's drinking.  If I could not live with an alcoholic I would just leave him.  I would not try to manipulate and control his beahavior, I will just decide if I can put up with it or not.


As you are finding out it is horribly difficult and stressful to try to control, supervise, or police another adults behavior.  Now I did all of that with my daughter while she was growing up and it was no picnic then!  But I refuse to do that with an adult who is NOT my responsibility. 


So what if he drinks while you are at work?  If you can't live with someone that drinks put your efforts into leaving him.  If you can't leave him use alanon to learn how to overlook his drinking while you pursue a healthy happy life for yourself.


I hope you find something that works for you!  I know it isn't easy, but alanon has changed my life, and I hope you can use it to change yours for the better also.


Isabela



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Trust or should i say lack of trust is a huge part of addiction. It seems that most everyone I meet on this board and out all say that their "A" lies.. Well, mine lies too... I try to look at it like it is just that part of this horrible disease, a symptom of the illness. Not an excuse just a explaination.
Understanding this disease has really helped me.... I try to remember that i am sick too.. for i am as addicted to him as he is to alcohol. I have done all the classics, dumped out alcohol, begged, cried, threatened, left only to return. What a merry go round this is... Now, i am trying to change that not by changing him but by changing ME. Posting on this site, seeing a counselor weekly have all helped me understand why I do the things that I do.. Alanon has taught me to stop being the mother and start being a woman who cares about ME .. A wise friend told me once that I dont have to attend every fight.. As simple as that sounds it gave me permission not to argue with him when he is drinking..

I identify with you in knowing that he is drinking.. He calls and i know within 3 words he is drinking.. Now, i just prepare myself.. I know that he doesnt eat so now i dont rush home from work and prepare a meal only to get mad that he doesnt eat until it is cold if at all.. Now, I pick up dinner for me and the kids. I have a stress free CD and headphones.. After dinner and the chores are done I adjorn to the bath take a bubble bath then read with my headphones on .. Seems silly but I dont worry .. how much did he drink, where is he, he is hiding it again.. Then we start to fight.. He like most A's dont need an excuse to drink they look for one just to push the blame on us. I use to buy it but NOT ANY MORE.. HIS DRINKING IS HIS PROBLEM.. I just remember that and i am okay..

Again, We are really glad you are here..
Tammy

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WOW!  So much information was shed from those that responded.  I was reading and had to reply.  I know that Isabella mentioned the tough love topic.  The only reason that I used that term was because yesterday when I called the AA helpline the woman that I spoke with referred to tough love regarding this particular situation that I was facing.  You are right though with your comments and I will allow the time to let them sink in.  Obviously I don't have the answers and I don't know what is right and what is wrong relating to this issues, but I am trying.  I am not the best person, but I want to do what is best for me and in return that goodness that I find for myself will be an opportunity for those around me to see the difference.  Thank you for sharing.  Some of the information was hard to hear, but needed to be said.  Bless you all!


Wifey



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Hi... No easy answers to the "trust issue", as it likely took a long time to break it down over the years, and it takes AT LEAST as long a time to rebuild it once it has been severely damaged....  As for the whole "tough love" question, the book I would recommend is called "Getting Them Sober", volume one, by Toby Rice Drews....    In a nutshell, this book tells you that "if you really love your A, then you will get yourself healthy"....  It is written in very practical language, and it did wonders for me...


Rest assured that these two subjects are ones that literally 99% of us have struggled with in dealing with our A's...


Take care


Tom



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