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need help


My head is just spinning, I hope all this makes sense, I have so much bottled up inside I that need to get out.


My husband, of twenty years, is a hard worker, he never misses work, he is a loving person, and a good father and husband and provider, when he is not drinking.  He does however have a problem w/alcohol.  I have felt this for several years but have I tried to put aside because he was always very docile and teddy bear like.  It is just a given that I am always the designated driver,  because I do not usually drink, (except for the occasional one drink max. a couple times a year). 


          I have often heard that daughters often marry men that are like their fathers, what a coincidence this is, you see I grew up in an alcoholic family.  My father was also a hard worker, who never missed a day of work and provided adequately for our large family, was also an alcoholic.   He would come home from work and have several drinks before dinner every night and by the time we had dinner, he was already smashed, which would of course change his behavior. 


Back to my husband, he comes home from work (after stopping at his bosses’ house, where he parks his vehicle) for a beer or two or three, comes home and has at least 2 more beers while he, he helps me prepare dinner or cuts the grass or another productive activity.   After dinner, he has another 3-4 beers .  Weekends are no different.  Sometimes he starts at noon on the weekend.  But when he drinks he doesn’t just sit and drink, he is always doing something physical and some productive and helpful.  Very rarely does he just sit and drink. 


In the last 6-12 mos., I have begun to see a totally different person emerge when he is drinking.  A person I don’t much like.  He is NOT physically abusive but his tone of voice and his choice of words and expressions and reactions to us are just intolerable to me.  My kids say “Dad’s drunk” and don’t want to be around him, and frankly, neither do I. 


If I try to discuss something with him that he brings up, he is the only one that is correct in his thinking.  No one (me or the children) can do anything right in his eyes, it needs to be done his way, and why didn’t you do that.  If I need to run errands, I get a phone call every ½ hour or so, “what are you doing”? because he says he is worried about me.  I go out maybe one evening a month with 2 of my best girlfriends for coffee and to talk, which I look forward to so much (and am in great need of right now).  When I come home from being gone, the kids tell me he has been so crabby, and it’s because I am not at home.


I am coming to a breaking point.  I have told him (when he was sober) during one of our discussions that I do not like his behavior when he drinks and I do not want our children to grow up in an alcoholic household, I know what it is like and it stinks.


A couple of weeks ago I told him also that I would leave if I had to, to get away from this situation and give our kids a life in a sober household, but I really cannot afford that (I do not earn enough money to survive w/ 2 kids on my own.


 I do not care to be anywhere near him when he is drinking and I am beginning to feel extremely bitter toward him.  He doesn’t understand (because he is drunk) why and I don’t want to be around him when he is drinking and drunk (and gets mad, because he is drunk).  He doesn’t realize what he acts like, because he doesn’t remember.


Usually when I tell him that I don’t like it when he drinks, he comes back with he doesn’t like it that I smoke(not inside).


I think that our children, especially our 16 yr old is starting to lose respect for him.  Which I do not like, but I really do not blame her, and I don’t know how I can change that.


How do I make life more livable for all of us and come to terms with the disappointments that present with husband/father who is an alcoholic?  How do I detach with love from someone I live with everyday? How and what kind of boundaries do I set?


I am feeling so much uncertainty about my family’s future.  I do not know what to do.  I really do not have any support.                                      Please any words of wisdom and support would be greatly appreciated.


 


 



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Loreli: your husband sounds much like my boyfriend except mine is actually a bully when it comes to getting what he wants. His temper can get completely out of control.


I am sorry you have to live with this.  I think there is a lot to be said for being comfortable with the familiar. My father had a out of control temper and was a bully too.  He did not drink all the time and actually was quite mellow when he drank it was the rest of the time he was angry and bitter.


Strange how we seek out that familiar.


 


I hope you will stick around here. You will learn a lot one to not beat yourself up, secondly to not be over reactive, over involved and to learn how to detach (which is an art in itself).  It is worth putting the time in here because (a) there are wonderful people here and (b) they have a lot to share and learn from.


Maresie.


 



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Wow, if i didnt know better I would have thought that I was posting this myself... First let me begin by welcoming you to this board.. It is a wonderful SAFE place to seek comfort, and a GREAT sounding board.. Here you will find people like me who have or are living in exactly the same place you are.

Let me explain why i say we are in the same place.. I too have been with my husband for nearly 20 years and have two teenagers. My husband is an alcoholic too. He doesnt drink daily but when he does it ALWAYS ends in him getting drunk.. My children have lost all respect for him. Until about 5 years ago I tried to cover up his drinking but 5 years ago i told them the truth.. Your father is an alcoholic.. I have left my husband more than once in the last year, to return to empty promises .. I just returned from my first vacation AWAY from my husband .. He spent his week in the mountains partying, while i spent a week in Ohio with our children..

I dont really have any advice ... Just take one day at a time... Be honest with your children .. Let them know that his drinking isnt because of them.. It is HIS problem not theirs.. Help them learn to DETACH.. When he is drinking take the kids somewhere dont spent your time watching him drink and act out.

I can tell you this.. No amount of begging, threats or bargining will make him stop. I will also say dont threaten if you arent willing or cant carry out your threat...
Detaching,, Well .. I havent mastered that myself .. Some have but I havent.. Boundries, I am really working on that too..

I would also encourage you to find an alanon meeting .. They do help.. !! In the mean time, keep posting .. There are soooo many wonderful people here all who really care about you..


Welcome .. We are really GLAD you found us ..

Tammy

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  Maresie and Tammy thank you for being so welcoming and kind, I certianly appreciate your support.  In the last three or four months al-anon has come to my attention during a few brief  conversations with others regarding their experiences with al-anon and how it has helped themand what a difference it has made in their lives, (they had no idea of my experience w/alcoholism).  Then, today I put in a search for al-anon online, hoping to get some information and I found this site.  It is ironic how it has all kind of fallen into place.  I think this is exactly where I am supposed to be to.


 



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Hi, Lorelei.  As others have said, your post could have been mine exactly.  My husband, my father, both hard working men, never missing a day's work.  It's almost eerie how similar your husband sounds to mine.


Like you, I am new here, also.  I was hesitant at first to do more than read the message boards only because I was ashamed of my situation and the fact that I hadn't done anything about it. 


I found this site the same way you did; doing a search for Alanon sites.  Everyone here is wonderful and have their own experiences and insights that I voraciously read and try to learn from.  I'm only a week into realizing that my life is unmanageable and I shouldn't have to live it this way.  I KNOW I have a long road to traverse, but when I'm feeling particularly low and hopeless, I head straight for my computer, straight to these boards and read for all I'm worth. 


I, also, have two children.  They're 11 and 13.  Like yours, they've lost respect for their dad--isn't that heartbreaking--and he's aware of that, but unwilling to change it.  I am honest with them about his alcoholism (as if they couldn't figure that one out themselves! lol) and we talk about it when they need to.  I reassure them his problem is not of their making, and they make themselves scarce when he gets to that point that he becomes unpredictable in his behavior and attitude.  He** of a way for them to live.  I'm working on that also; I can't fully help them until I can help myself, but as long as they know of my love for them, I think they'll be okay.


Keep reading here and posting here.  All the people here are fantastic, supportive and they know what we're going through. 


You're NOT alone.



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(((((lorelei))))),


You didn't cause it, you can't cure it, and you can't control it. It is the disease of alcoholism and it is progressive. My father-in-law was like that - never missed a day of work. So in a way that is the way they rationalize their drinking. It won't last forever because it is progressive. That is why they tell us to work our program. We need to take care of ourselves so we don't spiral down with them. You will find alot of support here at MIP.


In support,


Nancy



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You and your children can find support and learn how to deal with alcoholism by attending Alanon and Alateen meetings.
This is a great place but is meant to be a suppliment to Alanon face to face meetings.
If you call 1-888-425-2666, you can find out where meetings are, what days and times.

Christy

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Welcome to MIP. You are not alone. There a lot of people who understand.



 



World Service Organization Website –



WWW.al-anon.alateen.org



Alanon meetings 1-888-425-2666



Al-Anon Family Groups UK & Eire
61 Great Dover Street
London
SE1 4YF



Tel: 020 7403 0888



http://www.al-anonuk.org.uk/



Chat room is open 24/7 there here the link to www.mipchat.net or http://www.12stepforums.net/chatroom2.html 



Here are some things that have helped me since in the program.





  • Go face to face meeting & online meeting.

  • post on the board here on the site. I have gotten a lot of good feed back.


·        In this program u learn that u have choices. In Alanon we don’t give advice but only suggestions.



·        Set support system.  people do not judge. You need someone who can go for coffee on a bad day, or pick up a phone and call when in trouble. The support is what is important when you first this program.





  • Have a sponsor. Someone work one on one with you.


You don’t have to do this the minute u come to the program but I suggest that u do it when u can. It help.



 

Meeting schedule: meetings are in here and run approximately 90 minutes from: Monday-Friday, 9 am and 9 pm EST, Saturday: 10 am and 9 pm EST, Sunday: 10 am and 7 pm EST. Topics are selected by participants at meeting time. UK +5 hours, central -1 hour, mountain -2 hours, pacific -3 hours. Open chat all other times.


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I found your post to really bring back memories for me.... When I first entered the doors of Al-Anon, I thought that NOBODY could possibly understand all the stuff going on behind closed doors of my house, with my A-wife...  The lies, the language, the suffering were intolerable, and I truly thought I must be the only person in the world who had such problems and shame...  Then a light came on..... in the name of Al-Anon, sponsorship, boards like this one, and good educational books to read....  I remember stumbling across what has become my favorite book - "Getting Them Sober", volume one, by Toby Rice Drews - and being amazed that there was my life story, splattered all over chapter one, two, three, etc....


Alcoholics are almost eerily consistent in their behaviors....  Oh, some rage differently, and some are more erratic than others, but the disease is a progressive one, and their general behaviors and attitudes follow similar patterns.


I would encourage you to learn all you can... read books, attend meetings, reach out here.... and you life WILL become more manageable...  He is sick - that part is obvious.... What isn't always as obvious, is how sick WE have become, as a result of this disease...


Take care, and welcome to MIP


Tom



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Hi Loreli,


 I am new to this site also,stumbled on it when i had just threw my husband of 36yrs out of the house with all his clothers i could carry,He too was a very loving dad ,very quiet person,until he took to the drink 3yrs ago,the bottles i found i was told were never his ,sometimes he even said they were mine,like you i dont drink much either,i had this ritual of argueing twice sometimes three times a week for 3 yrs.


My children,who are adults now,have been in as much pain as me,we have spent all these years trying to fix him,he now lives a place for the homeless,having nowhere to go,also losing his job,through drunk driving,he drove for a living.


I only wish i had found this wonderful site and all the people here a long time ago.


As i am just starting out i cannot offer to any advise,other than keep coming here,it has given me the strength  to heal,take in all the wisdom you can from friends who have been were we are .


                      ((((( hugs))))))    ollie



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Lorelei,


I to would like to welcome you to our board. I am so glad that your found us.


I have been with my hubby for almost 9 years, and he was actively using drugs when I met him, long story, I thought I could fix him.


Anyway-


He continues to actively use to this day, with some clean time throughtout the years.


His disease is all about him. I love the three C's of Alanon. I did not cause it. I can not control it. And I can not cure it. I have taken the focus of him and I have found it easier to live with him by putting the focus back on me.


Working my program, going to meetings, and talking to people who have been in my shoes ahs made all the difference.


Keep coming back.


Yours In Recovery,



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Welcome to MIP. You are not alone. There a lot of people who understand.


 


 


 


World Service Organization Website –


 


WWW.al-anon.alateen.org


 


Alanon meetings 1-888-425-2666


Chat room is open 24/7 there here the link to www.mipchat.net or http://www.12stepforums.net/chatroom2.html 


 


Here are some things that have helped me since in the program.


 


 



  • Go face to face meeting & online meeting.
  • post on the board here on the site. I have gotten a lot of good feed back.

 


·        In this program u learn that u have choices. In Alanon we don’t give advice but only suggestions.


 


·        Set support system.  people do not judge. You need someone who can go for coffee on a bad day, or pick up a phone and call when in trouble. The support is what is important when you first this program.


 


 



  • Have a sponsor. Someone work one on one with you.

 


You don’t have to do this the minute u come to the program but I suggest that u do it when u can. It help.


 


 Meeting schedule: meetings are in here and run approximately 90 minutes from: Monday-Friday, 9 am and 9 pm EST, Saturday: 10 am and 9 pm EST, Sunday: 10 am and 7 pm EST. Topics are selected by participants at meeting time. UK +5 hours, central -1 hour, mountain -2 hours, pacific -3 hours. Open chat all other times.



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