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I Was Thinking Today....


I feel the need to vent a little bit; I hope nobody minds.  I have been thinking today (brain cells are on major overload) about how alcoholism has always been a part of my life.  My biological father was an alcoholic.  My step-father was/is an alcoholic.  My uncle was an alcoholic.  I had an aunt who died from liver complications due to alcoholism.  Several friends during my teenage years were alcoholics--whether or not they still are is unknown to me.  My husband is an alcoholic.  Both of his parents were alcoholics.  Both of his brothers are alcoholics.  One of his brothers is suffering liver damage and has been told by his doctor that to have one drink will kill him.  Three of my neighbors are alcoholics.  Has it always been so prevalent in everyone's lives?  How can it be that at 41 years old I am  only now becoming aware of the affects everyone else's alcoholism has had on me?  Did I have blinders on?  Did I simply choose too ignore it? How on Earth was I able to escape the same fate? Will I be able to steer my children in the right direction?


I've only started posting here yesterday, but I have spent the last week or so reading through the message boards, getting tons of information and loads of inspiration.  I was reading the Step Work board this morning and I realized I need to be there, as well.  I only came to understand how unmanageable my life is at this point.  I despair of ever being completely free from alcoholism and its affects.


I haven't yet told my husband that I've been spending so much time here at this website.  I'm unsure what his reaction would be.  He proudly admits to being an alcoholic.  I will spare you all the ugly details of my story, but suffice it to say that I have had enough.  More often than not, I picture my future without him in it.  Oh, if only that were possible!  This love/hate relationship I have with him is so much more than mentally draining.


Last night, after he had gotten well and truly drunk, he informed me that he knew I was visiting this site that last week. He has this infuriating habit of checking my web history and cookies.  As if I'm hiding anything?  He wasn't able to read anything I might have posted as he didn't know my user name and password and he did ask me for those.  I refused to give it to him.  I don't know why.  Anything I've posted here is nothing I haven't spoken to him about at one time or another.  Maybe I'm grasping for ONE small area of control in my life?  Whatever. 


I tried to explain to him that it was time I searched out some help for myself considering he has no ambition to help himself.  Why, oh, WHY did I think I could have a coherent conversation with him?  He said he was pissed off when he realized it was an Alanon site.  He didn't think I needed to be speaking--in any form--to anybody about his drinking.  After all, he's not hurting anyone by getting falling down drunk every night.  The kids and I are provided for and he deserves it after working hard all day.  He's not abusive, he's at home, not out with the guys or out whoring around..I get so disgusted hearing this all the time.  I'm sure a lot of you have heard the same things.


As I said earlier, I envision a life without him and without the disease and the complications that go along with it.  The last year has been a difficult one for me as I find that I have no compassion, no sympathy, no LOVE left for him.  I feel completely apathetic towards him and I have to struggle every day through my anger to be civil to him, even on those few, short occassions he's sober.  I can't see the good in him anymore through the veil of anger and hurt.  I feel guilty for feeling this way.  As he's abandoned me emotionally, I feel as if I've abandoned him in just NOT CARING.  Well, obviously I do care if I'm thinking about all this.  I am fairly certain that even if he wanted to sober up, if he could sober up, if he DID sober up, I still wouldn't want to stay in this marriage.  I realize he has his demons and his problems, but I can't dredge up an iota of understanding.  I feel pity for him, disgust and the disappointment--well, you all can relate. 


So I'm sitting here this afternoon, muddling through all these emotions and I have this idea that maybe I should call him, see if he wants to have lunch.  We haven't done that in too many years to count.  I can't explain WHY I feel I should do this.  Everything in me balks at the idea.  I think I've become so conditioned to not LIKING him anymore and not wanting to spend any time with him, that I"m confused as to why that thought would even enter my head.  Does that make sense??  Even if I did make the attempt and he accepted, no sooner did we get to a diner and he ordered his beer, I'd get angry.  So, ultimately, I've decided not to make the effort.  I will not call him, I will not ask him to have lunch with me.  I just won't.  Then I feel angrier because even that small gesture, what would typically be a pleasureable thing for most couples, has been taken away because I can't stand to see him drinking.  *sigh*  It's such a vicious cycle.  And all this because I decided to THINK today? 


It's Friday, which means the weekend is looming.  That means he'll get up early in the morning and either go out somewhere or stay here, whichever suits him.  If he stays home, he'll attempt to keep himself busy in his garage or start a project he'll never finish.  Inevitably he'll start drinking.  By 4:00 he'll be passed out, sleep it off for four or five hours, awake at 8 or 9 and start again.  By midnight, he'll have drank enough to pass out twice in one day.  Maybe I'll find something the kids and I can do that will take us away from here for a while. 


Thank you for letting me release that.  I know it's long, boring, nonsensical and non-diretional, but I do feel better for the writing, even if it's only for a little while.


Have a great day, everyone.


 



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DEAR MS. COFFEEBEAN

YOUR MIND'S EYE IS VERY FOCUSSED AND PERCEPTIVE

I THINK YOU HAVE SUMMED UP THE THOUGHTS OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT BYSTANDERS TO THE MARVELS OF ALCOHOL

I HAVE A MULTITUDE OF OPINIONS AND THOUGHTS WHEN I READ ALL THE PROBLEMS POSED BY SO MANY VICTIMS OF ALCOHOL ABUSE. I WOULD LOVE TO BABBLE ON AND ON BUT I FEEL THAT MANY OF MY THOUGHTS DO NOT FALL IN LINE WITH MANY PEOPLE'S BELIEFS IN THE AL-ANON COMMUNITY. I HAVE READ A LOT ABOUT ALCOHOL AND THE ABUSE OF SAME. AT ONE TIME I THOUGHT I HAD A PROBLEM WITH DEALING WITH THE ALCOHOLIC IN MY LIFE BUT SINCE I STARTED READING THE POSTS ON THIS WEBSITE I HAVE DETERMINED THAT MY PROBLEM WAS NOTHING I COULDN'T HANDLE (AND I DID HANDLE IT-I AM NOW FINISHED WITH THE MARRIAGE) THE STORIES I HAVE READ ARE REAL HORROR STORIES BUT TYPICAL OF LIFE WITH ALCOHOL ABUSE.

I ADMIRE YOUR INSIGHT ON LIFE'S LITTLE INTRICATE SECRETS

YOU SOUND LIKE YOU HAVE YOUR ACT TOGETHER IN SPITE OF THE BUMPS THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED IN YOUR PATH

SEEING THAT WE IN THE UNITED STATES JUST CELEBRATED THE 4TH OF JULY
I THINK WE SHOULD ALL READ AND REFLECT A FEW WORDS FROM THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE THAT ALSO APPLY TO DAILY LIFE "WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT, THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, THAT THEY ARE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS THAT AMONG THESE ARE LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS"

WE ALL ONLY GO AROUND ONCE-I WISH EVERYONE A PLEASANT JOURNEY

KEEP YOUR MIND IN OVERLOAD, COFFEEBEAN, I THINK IT WILL STEER YOUR THOUGHTS WELL...




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Dear Mr. Richard,


I wasn't expecting any replies to my post at the time I posted it; it was just a venting session, but I have to express my heartfelt gratitude to you for your reply.  I am here, tears leaking out, spilling over my face, at the beauty of your words.  To know that a complete stranger admires MY convoluted thinking--well, you can't know how you lifted my lagging spirits.


I never thought of the Declaration of Independece as anything more than an historical document, but your mention of it and the wisdom you conveyed as far as applying life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to our every day lives struck a chord deep within me.  How TRUE are those words and the rights they imply?


I wish I had as much faith in my thoughts as you perceived from reading my post.  I still very much doubt that I have a clue as to how to change my life.  I've only become aware of how unhappy I am and have only started reaching out for help.  Your kind words are an encouragement and I thank you for them. 


Not knowing you, or your circumstances and experiences with an alcoholic spouse, I am immensely glad that you were able to handle your problem.  I hope that every day is a blessing for you. 


Thank you.


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You just described my husband to a T !   I left on April 1st.  But we are still married and I'm not out of it yet.  And sadly I do still have some love left for him otherwise I wouldn’t' been so confused (I don't think so anyway).  


I'm just glad my daughter and I don't have to see it anymore, we may hear it on the phone but we don't see it anymore and that's so helpful..   I have one less child to take care of now. 


Well not much to say I guess but I wanted to let you know that I know exactly how you’re feeling.   take care...


 



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Hi, MsSteph...


Wouldn't it be nice if we could put ALL of them in a room together and let them see themselves in others? lol  Not very likely, I suppose.


I'm happy you're finding some peace for yourself and your daughter.  Even if you have to cope with the garbage over the phone, at least once the connection is broken you can try to let it go.  I wish I had the courage to leave.  It's in the foreseeable future, but still so very far out of reach. 


Have a positively beautiful weekend. You and your daughter.



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How creepy he's monitoring you. I felt the same...wasn't going to say anything here I would not say anyway, but after awhile, I was writing so much, spilling so much, I did not want my A to have access. It's all fodder he can use to manipulate me, you know?

So I dumped my other id, which was identifiable to him, for this one. And I am currently lurking for the most part. Until I feel I can post undercover. Something to think about.

I am currently separated from my A and really, really don’t want him tracking me. It’s none of his business, see. *I* am none of his business until and unless I decide otherwise.


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Hi Coffee I hope u consider going to f2f meetings for yourself and don't worry about him and what he thinks , what he is worried about is people knowing  his business , well in our prog we don't talk about them much but he won't believe that of course . His problem.


You are surounded by alcoholics and because of that u definetly belong here. it has affected your life for yrs and by not attending for yourelf you are helping him keep the secret !!!


Anonymity is the basis of our program  and it's a safe place for you to go his anonymity is also a priority. And you would be suprised at how many people already know he has a problem.


We lie for them , we cover up thier mistakes we make excuses for thier bad behavior and we accept unexceptable behavior ,as long s we continue to do that nothing will ever change.


Good luck  Louise



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If you go into internet connections on your computer you can delete your history and the cookies.


go to start, right click the mouse click open


click my computer


then click control panel


click network and internet connections


click internet options


click the general tab


click the delete cookies button, click the delete files and check off the box for offline content,and click clear history.


I personally always delete where I have been on the computer. My recovery is for me.


evey



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Thank you, you guys, for your suggestions about clearing my history and cookies.  I considered it, but then thought that if I did that, I'm once again giving in to his control.  I am doing nothing wrong and if he's so paranoid as to think I am, well, that's his problem.  By keeping secret the time I spend here during the day, I am relinquishing my basic right to help myself.  I wonder if that's not what he's hoping for?? Is it possible he feels threatened by the fact that FINALLY, after all these years, I'm deciding he shouldn't control every aspect of my life?  Just tonight, after he's got a good buzz on, he tells me how very much he loves me and that he realizes what a f**k up he's been.  And again, he apologized.  This time I didn't give him the obligatory, "It's okay."  I just didn't answer him. He then proceeded to pass out.  Can he sense the surges of hope and strength I'm beginning to feel?  Is it emanating from me in such a way that it's causing him discomfort?  Well, I could ask those questions all night long and never get an answer.  He is a master manipulator and he knows how easily I fall into the guilt trip trap. Amazing how much stronger and how much more empowered I feel in just 48 hours.


Abby, unfortunately, there are no meetings in my area.  God knows, I am so READY for one.  I've checked the phone book, even called the Mental Health Center in town and there's nothing available, so that option isn't presenting itself yet.  I am, however, keeping my eyes and ears opened and peeled just in case. 


Thank all of you for your continued encouragement.  I feel as if a lioness is waiting to break through.  I only hope that lioness doesn't scare the life out of me!! lol


Have a wonderful weekend, everyone.



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(((((coffeebean))))))


I just wanted to comment about your first paragraph.I am 53 years old.My dad was an alcoholic,I have 3 sisters and 3 brothers all alcoholics.Only my mother and myself were spared the disease (thank God).My husband of 36 years is an alcoholic.His father was,his brother is, and maybe a couple of his sisters.I haven't had any alcoholic friends, surprisingly.


I too have just awakened to the knowledge that alcoholism has surrounded me all my life.I used to think my family were just crazy people who drank, and that my husband was just a self centered jerk.The " disease" was a foriegn concept until I came to alanon this time.Even though I had gone to alanon other times in the past 16 years my husband has been sober,it just never sank in about the disease.I now also understand myself better and why I am "codependent" and hypervigilant about some things.


It amazes me that I married an alcoholic though.When we met he didn't drink, we drank pepsi.It was only after a couple years of marriage he started to drink.He told me later that he had drank beer at home before he met me.Somehow I had radar that was looking for an alcoholic????I was only 17. But I now understand that an alcoholic is all I could ever have been attracted to considering the family I grew up in.It's all I knew.


I still marvel, as you do, how I never realized any of this before.The realization brought out anger,much anger,at the disease and myself for not recognizing it.Awareness, acceptance,action, the 3 A's spoken about so much in alanon.It's right on.


Glad you are here.Keep coming back.   love and hugs   d



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Drucilla, I believe you have summed up my thoughts better than I could have ever managed!  lol  What you said about the 'alcohol radar' is amazing.  I only recently started questioning how I fell in love with one, who like yours, didn't drink when I met him.  It makes more than perfect sense that since that's all I knew, that's what I looked for, even subconsciously. *sigh* 


Thank you for your input.  It's starting to make just a little bit more sense to me each day.



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Welcome to MIP. You are not alone. There a lot of people who understand.



 



World Service Organization Website –



WWW.al-anon.alateen.org



Alanon meetings 1-888-425-2666



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Tel: 020 7403 0888



http://www.al-anonuk.org.uk/



Chat room is open 24/7 there here the link to www.mipchat.net or http://www.12stepforums.net/chatroom2.html 



Here are some things that have helped me since in the program.





  • Go face to face meeting & online meeting.

  • post on the board here on the site. I have gotten a lot of good feed back.


·        In this program u learn that u have choices. In Alanon we don’t give advice but only suggestions.



·        Set support system.  people do not judge. You need someone who can go for coffee on a bad day, or pick up a phone and call when in trouble. The support is what is important when you first this program.





  • Have a sponsor. Someone work one on one with you.


You don’t have to do this the minute u come to the program but I suggest that u do it when u can. It help.



 

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