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Hi, I would like to share about expectations that I had versus reality. I am really struggling at the moment, with Christmas,quickly approaching. With the way it seems to be advertised,in Catalogues,etc. What it looks like it supposed to be. Family, closeness, happily ever after.  Well, for me that was never the case. After I got into  recovery, I really tried hard to make my own Christmas. But it seems to be getting harder for me each year.

This year, I am having to make a decision, that I know isn't going to please one of my Family members. But I have to follow through with a promise that I gave myself last year on Christmas Day. I had a shocker, and promised myself that I wouldn't never do it to myself again. I knew that I  wasn't being good/honest with myself. I went over to my Grand Daughters, Home, trying to make it work, to be with  her and my Great Grand Children.The thing is that her In Laws always go over there as well. The whole Family are very, very, codependent,and that's my problem. I just can't handle the behaviour of them altogether. I know that it isn't them, they are just doing what they do, and live their lives accordingly. It's Me. I have tried to work really hard on myself, and my programme, but I have reached the point of no return. So maybe for the first time in my life, I will be spending Christmas Day, by myself. I know that I will be upset, as Family means everything to me, but that's the way it has to be. I ask myself, which pain can I bear.

The other thing is, with Expectations,I have only been close to one of my brothers, not that I didn't try with the other 4. But all my life, I have been the one, to do the work, ring everyone for their Birthdays, Christmas, etc, getting nothing back, but kept doing it because they were Family, and meant something to me. However,  when my Brother and his wife moved up closer to me, an hours drive away,  I started to think that  we would get closer, for a time, I believed it. Then I stated to see,and feel, that wasn't going to be the case.It started out good, but then I could see that if I didn't ring him, I got nothing.so once again, I was doing all of the work.   but I wasn't prepared to give up, so kept in there.

I got cranky, and told him of how I felt about things,saying that our relationship was important to me, as he was as well. In all of my Brothers/Sisters, they have always believed that I was the crazy one. I have always felt different, as I am. I cannot relate to them, we just don't have anything in common. I might add that I am the only one in  the Family that has recovery, and I know that certainly makes a difference. The thing is that all of them are Adult Grand Children, and have married, Adult Children. Thankfully, being in Alanon, I can understand  why, I am different to them, it helps me a lot. Still doesn't make it easy for me to accept. I don't want  to lose my relationship with my Brother, but I am facing the reality, that I don't have anything. I would love to have a closer relationship with him, but he doesn't want to have one with me. Only on his terms, and that doesn't appeal to me. I have to be good to me.

So that is where I am today, trying to live One Day At A Time, trying to face  the Reality of it all.I know that I am not alone in all of this. But hopefully, I will find some peace with it all.

Many Thanks for being here for me, I know that Alanon people are my Family.

WendyP.



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(Wendy)) I too have had to struglge wih my expectations Alanon tools helped

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(((Wendy))) - it is my own expectations often that cause me the most pain. I have really, really had to work on accepting others, exactly as they are in this moment, and deciding where they fit into my life. It's not easy, and it's way, way far from perfect yet I do see progress. Often, there are a few steps forward, and then more steps backwards.

It's so funny that you mention the in-laws and the co-dependency...I can relate! My son's fiance's family is very close - too close based on my opinion - or as you say co-dependent. I really don't like labels as I try to avoid judging others so use that term here only. They are really very kind people and have good intentions, which is what I hold onto. I also know I always have choices which really helps me decide if/when to be a part of vs. a part from.

My grand-kids are 6 & 4. For the first 4 Christmas's, we were not included - they didn't have time to carve out for 'here' time. It was painful and I resented all of them because of it. I really had to look at my part and my expectations, and figured out that I was resisting 'change' and really wanted things my way, with my traditions, etc. I finally let go and the last 2 years, we've spent Christmas Eve @ the in-laws. It's far from fun for me, I tolerate it and 'fake it until I make it'....why? I decided that being of service to my grand-kids was more important than having my wants met.

Continuing to surrender every day to how powerless I am helps me keep my expectations at bay. Life can be so very, very difficult and I really work hard to avoid chaos and drama. The holidays bring about their own, without my help, so taking things ODAT helps greatly too.

Keep doing you and keep leaning into your program! You work it hard, and it looks great on you. I lean heavily on the Serenity Prayer during the holidays and especially the abbreviated version: Bless Them, Change Me!! (((Hugs)))

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Thanks for your share, Wendy. I hope you've relayed this to your sponsor, too. I know reasoning things out with someone else really helps me get different perspectives. Very often I feel like whatever thought pops up in my head has to be THE solution for whatever is bothering me. This is why getting to meetings and working with a sponsor is so helpful to me because sometimes other ideas will present themselves.

As you know expectations are breeding grounds for resentments. Can I accept others just as they are?

I've often had to work out what was most important to me, realizing that if I really wanted X, I might have to deal with Z. But X was far more important to me so I could find other ways to feel about Z.

For instance, I used to expect others to read my mind and to reach out to me. When I finally realized that some of these people just don't operate that way - NO judgement on their character - I had to make changes to support my needs. That does often mean I'm the one asking others to lunch, calling to see how they are, suggesting get-togethers and playing "cruise director", etc. If I wait for them to "get it", then there's a good chance I'll likely NEVER get what I'm wanting because that's just not their personality. I have to Let It Begin With Me.

That said, I also have to weigh whether or not I want to cope with major toxicity in order to get to see someone in particular or do something in particular. I once turned down an invitation to a Trans-Siberian Orchestra concert because the person inviting me to join him just triggered me terribly whenever I was in his presence. It was not worth being around someone who could potentially bring out the worst in me just to see a live concert.

Finally it's always good to have alternate plans. No one's available to spend time with me? What can I do to be okay for the day? Perhaps treat myself to a movie, spend the day doing something creative. Write some thank you cards to the people I care about. Write a gratitude list. See if perhaps there's someone I know who's been having trouble and reaching out to them to see if I can be of service.

And one final thought - I've been doing a lot of work around not watching commercials or any other kind of advertising. The business of those ads is to purposely make people feel that they are incomplete and lacking without their product. And around the holidays it's of course even worse. They want you to think that the only way to show someone you care for them is to buy them expensive products, or to throw a perfect party with beautiful platters and gourmet food wearing fashionable clothing. And of course alcoholic beverage companies want you to also believe that a joyous holiday celebration is not complete without imbibing.

When I stop exposing myself to that constant barrage of nonsense, it's easier for me to remember that I'm enough just as I am and I don't have to have those objects or experiences in order to be complete.

Thanks for letting me share.

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Expectations, for me, was always something that had to be dealt with, handled, addressed.....AFTER.....ACCEPTANCE.

As a matter of fact...expectations were never a problem AFTER I mastered ACCEPTANCE. I never had to deal with expectations, they didn't exist, AFTER I achieved, and lived in a place of complete and total ACCEPTANCE.

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Hi Wendy,

It sounds like you've reasoned this out and made a decision to be true to yourself.  For me, it's progress when my happiness isn't contingent on others. My god, that's what got me into this program in the first place.  We have tried to create a tradition that involves my bf's kids and year after year they begrudgingly show up eat, collect their presents and make a quick exit. Finally, after last year's episode my bf had told me he was done and not doing this any longer. He took full responsibility for the decision and contacted his kids. Additionally, he told them no more gifts since it's difficult to choose for one another year after year. Other than the holiday, they see their father for father's day. This year they collectively blew him off and sent a Happy Fathers Day text. The phone calls only going one way. If he doesn't call, he doesn't hear from them. For a long time at the urgence of his sponsor, he kept calling and I would also get on the phone to connect with them. He has stopped now and on rare ocassions he may get a text from his kids. If there's a death in the family, he may get a text from one of them.

This year when calling an end to this holiday ritual, he told his children if they wanted to see us they would have to make arrangements for that.  But rather than having us on the day and at those hours in one of their homes, they are choosing to see us  in advance of the holiday and would like us to bring food despite the fact that we have had them as our guests for many years now. One of his children then told him that his ex would be having them year after year not only when she typiically does but at the time that they'd been coming to our home. Another emailed and speculated that since it's alot of work to have them over, it was likely the reason for not doing it any longer. Of course this has absolutely nothing to do with it. And when bf said he was willing to have a conversation about all of it with them but not by text, email or by phone, there was no interest, no takers.

We are planning the same as we have in the past to holiday clean, decorate, invite friends. We have our traditions and will honor those traditions as we have. We'll be adding more time with recovery people, volunteering etc. 

There is a new baby in the family and we would like the baby to know us. We're choosing to accept this arrangement of my bf's kids this year. It's my bf's job to work his AA program as it pertains to his relationship with his children. It was his decision.  I do feel sad that they will not be coming to our home despite the immaturity and selfishness they've displayed but on another level I feel a sense of relief. The unresolved issues between them and him impact our relationship and we've spend too much time trying to figure out ways to fix it, to build more of a relationship with them. You can't make others do what they don't want to do. So now we've surrendered this to live our own lives and there's more serenity in our home. 

We'll be going by bf's kids plan this year. For my part, I will use the section of the Just for Today bookmark that speaks about being agreeable, looking your best, being courteous, non critical and regulating my own behavior. We'll bring food to their home as was requested and gratitude and I'll practice Let It Begin With Me. Participation is the key to harmony so I can make a conscious choice to keep hp in front of me concerning thoughts, words and actions. Staying present and looking for the positive and accepting what is with maturity and unconditional love is the goal. Keep an open mind is a workable slogan in this new situation. What if I approach this as something I truly want. This is true because we truly want to see them. There's a lot of power in changing my mind from negative thinking to positive thinking. This way, I'm making a conscious choice to choose serenity and not allow people, places or things to be my higher power. 

It's progress to be able to validate feelings of disappointment rather than stuff them. Feel, deal and heal. We can't change other people only adjust our own thinking to accept what is and frankly, make a decision to enjoy a holiday or any day no matter what others do or don't do.  

Happy Holidays ((hugs)) TT

 



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  ((( Wendy ))) I read your post last night- and posted you a hug. I was in a blue funk yesterday, and feel much better this morning. So I was able to read your posting through, and take it all it. "A Christmas letter to myself"... ...and an open and frank one. aww...

Last evening we sanguine the local supermarket. Had been practising for weeks- and we achieved some good harmonies. My fiend Tom was there- a veteran of the Pacific war- and he will be 100 ears old in 9 days time. And we don't reach a lot of people in the community standing in the foyer of the supermarket. But we reached support each other- through singing- and being a part of the community.

Our oldest daughter is my step-daughter- and the kids have three sets of grandparents. In our generation [thankfully!] we don't have the old mish-mash about who is going to have Christmas with who. Although we are now old we always were "modern parents" and tired hard to avoid the faults of past generations.

I had missed the school prize-giving yesterday- through being at another function midday. But E. and the three kids came through the supermarket as we sang. This morning I have a text on my phone commenting on this. And I texted back asking how the prize-giving is going. Two of the kids love rowing- and we are going to rowing regattas later this month, anyway.

So, hey, I my friend i can drill down to your share- as you explore your own reality- with pride and pleasure, knowing we are both a part of the same company- that being Alanon, of course! We speak the same language- and we have similar ways of confronting our own troubles. biggrin ...

"A letter home to Alanon" truly does explore the real meaning of Christmas! 

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Bless your heart, Wendy. I am sorry it is so hard.

We have moved around a lot and picked up friends in most places that we spent time with. For 3 years in a row, I, and then my mother and husband were invited to the home of my best friend from Jr. High's daughter--who had family--and us and it was just as I'd always wanted it to be since I'd grown up. That was very satisfying, and I got over any lingering disappointments. Christmas as a child was always pretty wonderful.

One year husband's parents were feeling the anticipated pain of what if they didn't get to be with family. Mind you, my first Christmas in the family, M-i-l served Christmas dinner from pans, on the kitchen table and then we went bowling. (She did better after she saw how I did it.) So in their case, it wasn't as if they were exactly broken down with real Christmas feelings--just all of our friends are with their children that day and where will we eat?

I told hubs at the time, if the time came when it was just the two of us, if we felt empty, we could go and help serve a feast to the poor and alone. And I still would, if I were alone and it bothered me.

I think it is easy to lay too much on the day which is after all a day to rejoice in our Lord's Birth. Baby Jesus comes whether we have a feast and a lot of presents or not.

I didn't grow up with extended family around, so so I am not typical. And I feel sorry for those who heap so many expectations on Christmas. Even our wonderful little hostess drove her family nuts because she wanted all of them to troop to her house for Christmas breakfast, and then come again in the late afternoon.

It is great that you are honoring yourself this year and doing what you can handle. I hope there is someone you know or meet between now and the 25th that you can spend some time with. And if not, I hope you can remember that you are loved and all is well. You seem like a very sweet and caring person. Be sure to use that on yourself. And by the way, I think there are a lot more people alone on Christmas than we imagine, and a lot who are in the middle of family and secretly wish they were somewhere else.

Bless you and thanks for sharing. I'll get on that day and see if you've posted and I will respond. Do you like movies? I don't think I've ever gone by myself, but I think I might if I felt a lack. I've flown on Christmas Day, twice. That is fun--the airports are not crowded, the planes are half-empty, and I suggest to people who are traveling then anyway to think about flying on The Day. Oh, and I sang in a Catholic Church choir that a friend conducted for about three years and I learned to love Midnight Mass on Christmas Eve, and lots of them have several masses on Christmas Day. I still like to attend those--especially Midnight Mass. You can't feel alone hearing hymns and organ music and smelling beeswax candles and incense.

Hugs, Temple

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To me, expectations are the cause...and I deal with the effect; whether it be anger, sadness, disappointment, resentment, etc. Far too often, before I lived a life of recovery, and before I got healthy...I would blame others. Whatever was going wrong, whatever was the problem, whatever -- it was him, her, they, didn't do what they should, what they could, what I wanted, and so on.

No!!! It's about me. I had expectations, they do what they do...and I am disappointed? I am upset? I am angry? No!!! My bad. I had expectations.

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Hi It's WendyP.

Thank You all so very much for all of your Sharings.I can relate to everything you have all said, and I am going to be honest, as I am trying to answer this through my tears. For myself, I have to see things as they are, as I see them.That is the only way I can live my life, whether it is right or wrong, when I have issues that cause me pain. I have to stop and pull it all to pieces, and see exactly what is going on, with who,and what. Then, look at how I can work my Programme with it. My pain gets my attention, as if I don't stop and look at it, then my life becomes unmanageable.

What is my pain, telling me, showing me at this time. I am ready to make tough decisions, I don't want to, but I know I need to, for myself. I am tired of trying to make the relationship that I thought I had with my Brother,work, also remembering of how I felt last Christmas Day, knowing that I wasn't looking after myself, I was causing my own pain, and hating every minute of where I was, and knowing of what I should have been doing, but hanging in there, because I didn't want to appear rude. I have decided to let my relationship go, with my brother, if he contacts me, then that is fine. I am not going to do the work anymore. To me if I keep doing what I have been, it's insanity. I know I am going to feel the pain of it.

Also, I know I have learnt in Alanon, that I can remove myself from any situation that I feel, am uncomfortable with. As well, with relationships, if 2 people are not working,at it, or are prepared to work at it, it becomes Unhealthy. If only one person is doing all of the work, then it is unbalanced. With both of my issues, I know, I just can't do it anymore, they have become Toxic for me. I am not judging, blaming anyone. I have come to far in my recovery for that, I know that these are my issues, not theirs, nor am I trying, wanting anyone else to change. I know that I have to. When I am in pain, I read this from, In all our Affairs.

We all go through periods of sadness, lethargy, and grief==== that's part of life. Alanon cannot solve every problem. 'There are times when I have to hurt through a situation, and when this happens, the choice is not whether to hurt or not to hurt, but what to do while I am hurting. It brings me a lot of Peace. With Christmas Day, I am planning on spending it with people that I know love and want to be with me. I also am going to Live One Day at a Time, and focus on the good things, and People that I have in my life, and give the other stuff to my Higher Power. I know I will get through it, and for today, I have the Australian Open Golf on the TV, which I love,next week, I will be watching, both the Golf, and the first Test against New Zealand.

Once again, thank you all for your sharings, you have helped me so much.

Love WendyP.

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"We all go through periods of sadness, lethargy, and grief==== that's part of life. Alanon cannot solve every problem. 'There are times when I have to hurt through a situation, and when this happens, the choice is not whether to hurt or not to hurt, but what to do while I am hurting."

A thousand times *THIS*  - Thank you WendyP for expressing and sharing here. I have been following this thread, but was reluctant to post... as I have contrary opinions to "expectations" as they relate to my situation - that have not always been met with acceptance of my views.  But this line you posted really struck a chord with me. Thank you for sharing your ESH!

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Hi Posies & Poppies,

Thank you for your sharing, I can relate of what you have said,  as even after all my years in Alanon, I still get scared  of sharing exactly what I feel,/think.  Once time, when I was going to my meetings, I stood up and shared from the heart as exactly, what I thought about  something. I got slaughtered, and the reason for it,  I believe was pure jealously. The person who did it to me, was jealous of how I worked my recovery. She wanted it but didn't want to do the work, and she knew that  I knew what she was doing. She waited her chance and got me. The thing was also, that people who I had known in Alanon for many years, believed her. It was an awful and painful time for me, and it became so Toxic, My Higher Power told me that I had to let my meetings go. I never let my Programme go, I worked that harder, and it has got me where I am today. But it has taken me so much courage, to step out, and be myself. Even for this online programme.

To me, the way I share, is that if I am not honest with myself, and say what I believe, then I can't be honest with myself. Sure, not everyone will agree with me, but  when I am going the wrong way, I know that My Higher Power will stop me, and direct me the way He wants me to be.

Believe in yourself, and be who you want to be.

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(((((WendyP)))))
Thank you!
I am learning that just because someone doesn't agree with me, doesn't mean I am "less than." I am even learning to "look at myself" when I feel strong emotions regarding how someone reacts to things I say. Sometimes, it is not what they say or how it is delivered... sometimes it is how I perceive it. And yes, sometimes it is exactly how it was delivered or what they say... but Al-Anon is helping me to not REACT. The program helps me to PAUSE and look at all angles before I respond.

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(((Wendy))) - my experience is that when I am in pain, physical, emotional or spiritual, it's not always the best time for me to consider choices for taking action. I just seem to be better at talking things out and reasoning things out when I'm close to the center. The only way I know to get close to my center is through prayer, meditation, program efforts.

As far as sharing honestly and openly, if I am speaking from my heart and it's my experience, strength and hope, I can detach from those who give advice and/or cross-talk. Like all things for me in recovery, it took practice, practice and more practice to 'take what I like and leave the rest'...My level of serenity is not based on how long I've been in recovery but rather the level of trust/effort I am willing to give to the program...Quality vs. Quantity! When I remain open, I learn from everyone - even those I would never relate to in another area of life!

(((Hugs))) - like PnP - I really like what you shared. How lovely it would be if recovery solved all my problems and took away all my sadness/fears - not reality - yet my life is greatly improved just by practicing the principles as best I can!

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Wendy,

It made me so happy to read that you will be with people who love you and want to be with you on Christmas. That sounds lovely. And you get to watch your sports you enjoy.

Sorry if I was tone-deaf. As a person who grew up with "good enough" parenting in a non-alcoholic family, I have no idea how hard it is for someone who didn't to let go of the FOO, but I have seen it often. The "gift" that keeps on giving. It's like trauma-bonding, I think.

I used to read a lot on the ACA board, and I remember a post from a member who was learning to re-parent herself. It was "Little Child, you have done nothing wrong--be gentle with yourself. And you are right where you are supposed to be."

May your life just get better and better from here on out.

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