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I am new to this forum and to Alanon. Today will be my first face-to-face meeting.
I have been around the local AA Community for the past 3 years due to my relationship with my AH. My AH and I are newly married (this past April) and he told me up front on our first date that he was a very proud member of AA. My AH has been recovering now for 17 years and I am SO PROUD to learn all about his journey and this disease. It just amazes me every time I hear his story and when I speak to his family members to see how much he has changed and learned to live a life of peace and serenity. He is truly an AMAZING man and just as AA says, he is always there to lend a helping hand no matter what the issue is, AA related or not. Extremely kind, considerate, and caring. One of the many reasons I fell in love with him. Its actually hard to reconcile the man that I know with the man that people tell me he was during his drinking career. But after everything that Ive learned about this disease, and about my AHs past, Ive no doubt this man has had the courage to change in a BIG way.
My issue today is that this amazing man has a AD. She has now been out of recovery and just celebrated 10 months of sobriety. However, she has stopped working her program at 6 months, and never got rid of her stickin thinkin ways, as my AH says. Nor has she gotten rid of her anger or vindictiveness. Especially against me for no other reason than Im her fathers wife. (I should also mention that her mother passed away from this disease in July 2017, whom was the ADs drinking partner. When AD went into recovery, AM drank herself to her demise).
My AH is under EXTREME stress from this situation. It truly amazes me to watch him under this pressure. He is resolute to attend meetings and to stay in contact with his own program and sponsor, which is such a relief and inspiration for me to watch. And, even though he has his own sponsees, where his daughter is concerned, he turns a blind eye. Her behavior and disrespect level, even with him, is off the charts. And my AH keeps making excuses for her. He says nothing to her when she disrespects me, does downright vindicative things towards me that put my own health in question. Ive drawn my boundary and when I told him that I would no longer accept this behavior, he told me he had no choice because he has an investment 3000 miles away that hes trying to protect, and that I shouldnt be so selfish. Really?? Am I being selfish??
In total, this situation with his AD has been going on for 2 years straight in our relationship. I have been at his side and her side this entire time. She has slayed me with raw comments both in my AHs presence and behind his back. She has boasted about her vindictive activites towards me to family members with the explanation that she does it because it drives her nuts and laughs about it. My AH has now been informed by these other family members and he still turns a blind eye, reminding me that stinkin thinkin and bad attitudes take time to change in sobriety, that its not an overnight thing.
I feel raw at this point. I feel betrayed by my AH. AM I justified in feeling this way? Or, am I really being over-sensitive about this situation, which Ive also been accused of being?
My AH asks for my opinion about things regarding his AD, and I gave it. Now those opinions are being thrown back at me in a negative manner by my AH, and I am really hurting. There is more to this story - a LOT more - and I dont doubt that my AH is raw with hurt too by both his AD and the rest of the family who has now vehemently turned on him simply for saving his AD. I was personally witness to an extraordinary hate-filled conversation between my AH and his son last Friday night that have left us all raw with emotion, and personally, Im still shaking on the inside. AH thought I was going to have a heart-attack that night I was so taken aback by the things said by the son. My family is screaming at me to RUN because this situation is crazy vindictive with AHs kids and no one wants to see me get caught up in the middle. The family, in general, cant understand why my AH doesnt walk away from it all, and he still goes back for more abuse. I know I cant control him, and I cant be responsible for his feelings or comments. My heart does break for him simply because I am a caring person and I love him dearly.
He calls me Ms. Sunshine because of my bubbly personality. (Something his daughter detests about me. Says Im not normal). Hes now upset that my sunshine is gone for the past few weeks. He just got upset with me last night and suggested I needed an attitude change and I had best get happy, that he was doing his best to make me happy and to take care of his AD.
I feel absolutely shaken, spun in all directions, dont know which way is up at this point. Am I to blame? How do I even begin to help? He keeps asking me for my opinion and yelled at me last night to tell him what to do, but I dont dare say anything more. My words will be perceived in the wrong way, churned up, and spit back at me. Im really shocked at 9 months into my marriage that I might be faced with a divorce if I dont get happy very quickly. I feel like such a failure.
Where do I even begin? All I could think was to post here, and to somehow find my way to a face-to-face meeting today, which Im scared to ask him for the car to go. I hate confrontation and never in my wildest imagination did I think I would ever be back in a space of dealing with heated and violent confrontations like this. (I was in a 29 year abusive marriage that ended several years before I met my AH. We NEVER had this kind of issue in the early stages of our relationship until his kids became involved).
I am simply confused, sad, and frustrated at this point. I want to take back my life and to understand what I have done wrong to let this disease affect me this way. What am I missing?
Welcome Peaceful Love, I am pleased that your partner has found sobriety and continues to be dedicated to his own recovery despite the challenges with his daughter.
Alcoholism is a progressive , chronic fatal disease over which we are powerless AlAnon is a recovery program established for family and friends of alcoholics, who need such a program because of the many destructive behaviors they have adjusted to, by so doing s we develop many negative coping tools that hurt us as e continue to live our lives.
Alanon helps us to break the isolation of living with the diseases and offers support and understanding as we attempt to acquire new constructive tools to live by.
I had a son who was an alcoholic and made many excuses for his behavior as i attempted to"save" him. He was aggressive to my partner as well so i understand your predicament.
I suggest you both can benefit from attending alanon face to face meetings so that each of you can develop new tools to help live through this dreadful time .
I believe that you each would be better served gong to different face to face meetings so that you could feel comfortable sharing
PeacefulLove - welcome to MIP. So glad you found us and so glad that you shared. I believe the easiest answer as far as what you might be missing is that Alcoholism is a family disease - reaching out well beyond those directly affected to also impact those who are friends and family. Al-Anon would be very helpful for you as it will give you insight into how the disease may be distorting your views, values, etc. and give you tools to heal/deal from the affects of the disease.
I have 2 adult sons who are both As. I also have an AH. I felt much as you do, and thought I was loosing my mind (I was....just didn't really believe it was/could happening/happen). Al-Anon gave me a new perspective and helped me find my way to sanity in dealing with (or not) this disease in others.
I am sorry that you are confused, sad and frustrated - it's certainly understandable. Al-Anon will help you take back your life. Most likely, you've really done nothing 'wrong' - the disease has a way of sneaking up on friends and family and sucking us in in unhealthy ways. Very glad to hear that you intend to go to a face to face meeting today - please go with an open mind and look for the similarities vs. the differences. If the meeting doesn't 'fit' well, try a few others. And - keep coming back...you are not alone and there is hope and help in recovery!
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Practice the PAUSE...Pause before judging. Pause before assuming. Pause before accusing. Pause whenever you are about to react harshly and you will avoid doing and saying things you will later regret. ~~~~ Lori Deschene
Thank you for your comments. They are very comforting to this extremely sad soul at the moment. I do not disagree, and have thought the same thing, that we both would benefit from going to f2f meetings. I know he has attended in the past (before me). I went to 3 meetings early on in our relationship and before the AD came on the scene. We relocated and I didnt go back. Now I will.
Thank You SO MUCH!! Just getting it out there has helped relieve some of the pressure that Im feeling today.
Alanon can really help you detach with love as they say. You may wind up drawing boundaries about his kids where you don't comment and don't get involved. Sounds like your husband could use some alanon as well, but alas, this is about you. You CAN refuse to be drawn into this chaos and alanon does have those tools to teach/offer.
Welcome Peacefullove.
I can relate. I used to be the "sunshine" but in my case got lost in the manipulation via an AF living on our property. There are many A's in my life but this one was the one that got me in here due to the passive aggressive, dry drunk behavior. I waited years too long before making it back into Alanon and working it seriously. I'm glad you are here. Today I have such peace, confidence and am learning boundaries more and more with the help of everyone in this program. As mentioned above, alcoholism is a family disease. It effects us all whether we are aware of this or not.
AA is pretty well known for people who have l9ng term sobriety but with huge issues. Boundaries in an alcoholic home are pretty enmeshed and difficult. For them that is normal
Many alcoholics don't date delve into their history and their family associations because they fear for their sobriety. In fact many people interpret the program in that way. The first issue is to stay sober
In any marriage There is a myriad if family issues that come up. The a.c. A who I was involved ed with fi r years had mother issues. His mother wanted his attention. Ajhe claimned famil y issues all the time and demanded to be a priority. Then out if the blue she married her firnner high school sweetheart and moved two states away.
What Ibdidnt grasp for a lo g time was this:
1l) All these family dynamics were in play lo g before I came along
2) certain situations are triggers.
3l) People do not have to like me
4l) It is not selfish to say #no# but in an enmeshed family it is. My eljder sister inferred I was selfish Grady and thoughtless
On extreme levels. Thanks to al anon her opinion of me doesn't count
5) There are certain members of my family I will have no contact with. That isn't because they are particularly objectionable. They live in such unmitigated chaos it is difficult not to be pulled in. I don't advertise that. I don't even acknowledge it openly. I just don't accept any manner of communication with them.
6) There are plenty of people who do not like me. Their opinion no longer affects me. I don't invest in those relationships.
7) I know full well the ex A and his mother malign me. They can do it till the cows come home. I am not invested in their opinion anymore. That wasn't the case before al anon.
Detachment is a skill that requires a lot of muscle. Newcomers to the program always feel they are not doing it right. The fact is it takes practice and lots if it. Patience is hardbwonbwhen you are in a lot of pain.
There are certain people including my ne8ghbors who I dislikje 9ntenseky. I go out of my way to avoid them. I avoid talkingbtk them. I avoid engaging with them. I don't invest much in their opinion of me. There have been times in my life when I was obsessed with feeling victimized by other people's malicious vicious actions. Detachment is a great tool for deescalating.
I hoppe you will stick around in al anon. Getting busy was one way I.endured the issues with the ex A's mother. I was called all kinds of selfish names by her. These days I d9nt believe we ever shared the same reality. Sometimes there is no happy families. There can be however a co existence. I no longer believe that I known what might have helped the ex A. He never wanted to accept a shred of responsibility for anything b
He was happy just to dump it all on me. I didnt know how not to take it on. Now with al anon's help I do know ho w to protect but most if all champion myself.
One day at a time is a great slogan to interrupt the shoulda coulda woulda maxims
Maresie
-- Edited by Maresie on Friday 19th of January 2018 03:30:56 PM
I applaud you for coming here and looking for guidance - the easy route would be to think that because your AH has a long history of sobriety, that he'd know exactly what to do and how to do it regarding his AD - but it's not like that at all, is it - I am pretty sure that he has some insights that you don't have (yet), but him dealing with his daughter's problems is a completely different game than dealing with his own problems - and then there's the issue with him loving you and him loving his daughter - and it's easy to get stuck in the middle of that action - I have been there - I do not envy you.
I had long-term alcohol and drug issues myself - I'm sober now for 24 years - but I am reminded daily that I am absolutely, positively powerless over my 32 year old son's alcohol and drug issues - i figured that with my experiences I could get him well too - LOL, but after trying everything he still has issues, I'm still praying for strength to do what I need to do, and I don;t discuss any of this with my partner of my other kids - just the fine folks here - take what they say to heart - there's a lot of wisdom here.
I like what pinkchip says about NOT getting sucked in to the drama that AD causes and to a degree AH who is enabling her with his blind eye...it this were me??? I would set boundaries in MY home, re: her and her behavior, distance msyelf from her, work my program..SEPARATE alanon meets for you and AH so you can share w/out his hearing what you think/feel, I just would distance myself from her..what she says or thinks about you is not your business or problem..she sounds like a very ugly, nasty little turd...I say this because my niece's daughter is like that to me...I mentored/sponsored niece for a long time and I refused to take crap from her ugly, vile daughter whose boyfriend won't marry her because HE sees what she is..some people, sober or drinking are just UGLY and that is just them...I stay away from it....Hubs is obligated to him and his program an to you and your marriage....but you can't "make him" step on his daughter and say "hey, behave and act with respect or your gonna be waaay out there on a distant circle from us" so its up to you to take care of you...................IN SUPPORT
First of all, THANK YOU all SO MUCH for your words of wisdom and encouragement. Nothing you have said has fallen on deaf ears on my part. I have taken every bit to heart and your support has been TREMENDOUSLY helpful.
I did get to attend my first F2F meeting just yesterday. (My intent was to go last Friday, only to arrive at the specified meeting location and time and NOBODY was there.) I am currently based WAY OUT in the middle of the country, farm lands for miles around me. Through research and networking in the local AA community, it has been brought to my attention that the Al-Anon community is nearly non-existent for a several hundred mile radius of my location. Not real good when the AA community is vibrant with a minimum of 3 to 4 meetings throughout the day every day of the week. This is why they have been so welcoming and open to me attending meetings with my AH. I cant thank them enough for the support theyve given me to this point now knowing what an Al-Anon member faces in this remote area of the country. There is 1 meeting on Tuesdays at 12 noon and I made sure I was there this week and Boy, am I SO HAPPY I was there! Just 4 of us in total but what an AMAZING meeting!!! And how about this... It was me, a facilitator, and another husband-wife team. My HP absolutely put me in that place at that time because this other couples AD is going through recovery right now. Her story is almost EXACTLY my step-ADs story. And they have the EXACT dynamic in their marriage as I do other than husband is not a RA, but wife is a step-mother just like me! These people are STRUGGLING and it reminded me how truly BLESSED I am to have had the support that Ive had in this journey. These people have NO KNOWLEDGE of the disease itself, let alone all of the terminology. I found myself in the role of helping to the best of my ability and loving on them with open arms, just as I have been loved on. This was this couples 2nd meeting and they had thought very seriously of not attending at all yesterday. I have now set up a dinner meeting for them with me and my AH. Both dads find themselves in the same boat, dont want to enable, but how do we stop? And us 2 step-moms identify with observing all of this family dynamic issues and wondering how do we gently love our family members to the best of our ability and yet remain lovingly emotionally detached and free of the drama. No doubt a lesson we will all have to learn and practice over time.
No, my AH will not be attending the F2F meeting with me. Simply because its during his work day and also because he is very supportive that I need to do this for me. We had a LONG discussion about this over the weekend. And again, with the support of our local AA community and friends, many RAs in his same position share the same thoughts and wisdom that you have also given me.
We are, and always will be, a work in progress. And I will absolutely continue to work my own program through Al-Anon. I pray God will allow the right sponsor to show up in my life very soon so that I can begin working through the steps for myself. I very much want to take care of me which is extremely beneficial to my health. (I am a Diabetic so taking care of me, my health, has to be my top priority).
THANK YOU once again!! You mean the world to me already, and weve only just met.
((PeacefulLove)) WOW HP does work in mysterious ways. The other attendees were fortunate that you were there to chair the meeting. This is indeed a gentle program so that your feeling enriched by attending is a great reason to return.
Please do keep coming back here as well-- There is hope and help and you are not alone .
PeacefulLove - thank you for coming back and sharing your ESH.....I got goosebumps reading about how miracles happen in recovery through a power greater than self!! We no longer call 'these' goosebumps, instead prefer 'Godbumps'....
What a great share and so glad you got to the meeting and are finding support close to home!
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Practice the PAUSE...Pause before judging. Pause before assuming. Pause before accusing. Pause whenever you are about to react harshly and you will avoid doing and saying things you will later regret. ~~~~ Lori Deschene