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A few years ago, I began to suspect that my wifes drinking had escalated to the point of alcoholism. I thought of myself at the time as a moderate drinker, but now recognize that I was a problem drinker also, though my drinking was kept somewhat in check by the fact that I get up extremely early in the morning and so go to bed by 9:30 or 10. My wife, however, would stay up after I went to bed and keep drinking. I started to become alarmed when I would come down in the morning and notice how much shed consumed after Id gone to bed (loads and loads of wine, whatever else was handy when the wine ran out). I made comments about this, but she would get angry, say I drank as much as or more than she did, etc. On a few occasions, Id wake up at midnight or later to the sound of music blasting downstairs, right outside our daughters bedroom. Id come down and find her plastered. On one of these occasions, I filmed her with my phone and showed her the video the next day. She was furious. With a mutual friend present, I confronted her about my belief that her drinking was getting to the point of alcoholism and that she needed to get it under control or else she was going to end up in real trouble.
She curbed it for a while, but would still have the occasional bad night. I was still drinking too much myself, so I sort of let it happen and tried to detach. I started curbing my own drinking but was still a pretty heavy social drinker and thought it was easier to be an enabler than a hypocrite. In retrospect, I probably let it go on because I did not want to quit myself.
Fast forward a year or two. I caught her in a phone-and-text affair with a guy from out of town she met through work and confronted her about it. She was not especially remorseful, but agreed to end the relationship. Her brother, who has been in recovery and is active in AA, told us both we needed to get all of the booze out of the house and quit drinking, that his sister was an alcoholic and I wasnt far from being one myself. We did thisfor a while. Then she insisted she was not an alcoholic, her brother was crazy, he thinks everyones an alcoholic, etc. She wanted to be able to have a glass of wine. I said okay, but lets put some serious limits on ourselvesnothing before the kids go to bed, no more than one glass of wine a night, maybe two on the weekend. She agreed. I believed she was abiding by these rules. I cut my own drinking down dramatically and started to lose a lot of weight. Pleased with the changes to my health and appearance, I cut back even more, to the point that I am not abstinent but not a regular drinker and never have more than one or two, and never in front of my children.
Fast forward a few more months. I caught her in another phone-and-text affair with an old high school boyfriend. It also came to my attention that she had not cut off contact with the first guy she got emotionally involved with (that I know of). Again, I confronted her. I kicked her out for the night, but the next day we talked and agreed to get into counseling together. I told her I would do anything to fix whatever was broken, but that she had to cut it off with the guy. She promised she would. A few days later, I found e-mails exchanged between them on her phone. Without telling her Id seen the messages, I asked her if shed heard from the guy. She said she hadnt had any contact with him. I asked her to swear to me on the lives of our children. She did this without hesitation. I told her I knew she was lying. I asked her how she could swear on her childrens lives. She said she didnt believe in God so it was easy for her to say something like that; she didnt feel that what she was doing was wrong and she didnt want to tell me about it because I wouldnt understand. She later revealed to me that she had loaned this guy a large amount of money and was still in contact with him because she was afraid if she cut him off he would not pay her back. I was understandably upset, but told her I loved her, I thought what shed done was a symptom of her problems with depression and anxiety, etc. I got involved and told the BF he needed to pay us back but have no further contact with my wife. He did eventually pay back the money, but the contact continued. For some reason, I put up with this, hoping counseling/therapy would help her get to the point of a breakthrough. Our counselor told me she identified more with the BF because he had depression issues himself and she felt inferior to me because I have my shit togethergood job, respected in the community, plenty of friends, etc.and everyone thinks shes a loser and wonders what Im doing with her. I dont see it this wayI love her, never felt like trading up, always felt lucky to have her, even after she started messing up and breaking my heart. The therapist said she thought my wifes problems related to childhood trauma and that with continued therapy shed eventually get control of her impulses and stop doing things to hurt me. To my knowledge, she hadnt slept with either of these guys; she seemed to think of the affairs as harmless because they were mostly just happening through the phone (she did meet with the second guy a few times, but swore nothing physical happened). Because of the trauma issue and the fact that we did not keep much booze in the house and I was policing the supply, I did not suspect alcoholism to be part of the problem. I actually said to myself at one point I wish she was just a drunk; that would be an easier problem to address.
Fast forward a few more months. More broken promises, more betrayals. I discovered that shed been fooling around with an (ex) friend of mine. When I asked her why, she said she thought it was safe. The friend told me hed made an isolated mistake but now she was more or less stalking him. I didnt know whether to believe him, but knew Id been told plenty of lies before by my wife, so I definitely didnt believe her when she shifted all of the blame for the situation onto him. I hit the wall. I called her father and told him I needed helpthat she either needed to go into some sort of in-patient treatment for her issues or I was going to kick her out of the house and get a protective order. With the help of her brother, her parents, our priest, and our therapist, we persuaded her to go to a 30 day trauma therapy program. We were in regular contact. I wrote her encouraging letters every day. We talked on the phone. She had a few weak moments where she wanted to leave, but overall, she seemed to be positive and on the right path. I was in regular contact with her therapist at the treatment center. He gave her positive reviews.
There were a few trouble signs near the end of her stay, but I was too excited about the prospect of her returning on the path of healing to care. When she got home, she was excited to tell me about the program, but I immediately picked up some hints that something was amiss. Her therapist had told me she was committed to sobriety, so Id emptied the house of booze and bought her a new electric teakettle so we could drink lots of tea instead of wine. As soon as she settled in at home, she told me she wanted a glass of wine. I was shocked. I told her what the therapist had said. She said I never said that, said she just wanted one glass, etc. She went to the store and bought a bottle and drank about half of it. She got a little tipsy but seemed okay.
The next morning, she left to go to the grocery store. About an hour after she left, she texted me that she couldnt come home because she thought our eldest daughter was being distant with her. I called her and begged her to come home. She refused. She turned off her phone and disappeared. I called and texted frantically. Finally, I called the police and filed a missing persons report. They couldnt use the phone to pinpoint her location because shed turned it off. I couldnt hide what was going on from our children; they were terrified. I got a neighbor to come sit with them and drove around the city looking for her. Ten hours later, I got a call from the ER. Shed been delivered by an ambulance. Theyd found her sitting in her car sobbing and incoherent. I raced to pick her up and brought her home, too relieved that she was okay to be angry. She said she'd been given a breathalyzer and passed because she hadn't been drinking, but she also said the EMTs told her she was lucky they had found her instead of the police (?). She did not remember where shed left her car. We had to call the police/emergency service the next day to get a location on where shed been picked up. It was miles and miles away from where we live in an area shes totally unfamiliar with.
The next day we talked. She said she knew she couldnt drink, that it worsened her depression. We talked about forming routines so she didnt have idle time to worry and get anxious. I told her she needed to get into an outpatient therapy program ASAP and offered to take off work so I could go with her to get enrolled. She agreed.
The next day, I took her to get enrolled in outpatient therapy. That night, while putting her laundry away, I found a letter in her sock drawer from a man shed met at the treatment center. It was four pages long, single-spaced. It was very clear that she had formed yet another love attachment with another man. I confronted her about it. She denied and evaded, said it had gotten a little too close but they had both agreed to back off, etc. I didnt believe her but wanted the marriage to work so badly that I just went with the same old please promise its over and tried to move on.
The next day, she was supposed to go to therapy. She called me from the road and told me she wasnt going. I went home at lunchtime to check on her and found her on the phone with her rehab BF. She continued to insist that I should tolerate this relationship, that it was something she needed, that it wasnt a threat to our marriage, etc. I told her I was going to contact a divorce lawyer. She became incensed that I would consider such a thing. I told her Id already lost ground at my job because of her nonsense and wasnt going to argue with her anymore. I went back to work. A few hours later, before I was going to pick up our children from school, I had a bad feeling and decided to run by the house. Just before I arrived, I got a call from her. I just slit my wrists with a razor, she said. Why on earth would you do that? Because I want to die. Why? I asked. Because everyone hates me. I raced home and found her incoherent. The razor blade slashes were superficial, but there was a good amount of blood. Regardless, I said we are going to the ER. When we arrived, the doctors quickly decided to put her on a hold so she could not leave. When asked if shed had anything to drink and how much, she repeatedly denied drinking. Her blood test came back with a BAC of .340.
Suddenly, I felt as if a curtain had been swung back. Everything became so obvious. Shed been day drinking away from the house ever since I tried to make her stop and cut back. I started looking at the finances and discovered a lot of money missing from our savings and a huge balance on her personal credit card. The withdrawals and payments were not huge amounts, but it looked pretty clear that shed been spending a lot of money on booze and hiding it by taking the money from savings or charging it so I wouldnt notice that we werent living within our means and start looking at her spending habits.
They kept her in the psych ward for a week. Her parents came back. Her father immediately insisted that we start researching in-patient centers for alcoholism and that I should be prepared to take out an order of protection to bar her from the house and the children if she refused to go to rehab. Friends came forward to tell me that theyd seen her driving with the kids when they thought she was plastered. My neighbors told me theyd seen her swerve into the driveway and up into the front yard and had watched my 10 year-old daughter have to help her into the house. There are more details, but Im going on too long as it is. You get the drift.
We had an intervention with the case worker. It was awful. But at the end of it all, realizing that her choices were rehab, a half-way house, or the street (she has alienated all of her friends), she opted for rehab.
Were now eight days from her discharge date. She wouldnt speak to me for the first two and a half weeks. Weve talked in the past few days. She is civil sometimes but then starts to lash out at me, blaming me, insisting that I am at fault for what shes been through (rehab she doesnt seem to mind so much, but the psych ward was hellish), claims I conspired to keep her locked up there as long as possible, attacked me for threatening a protection order, swore shed never been a danger to the children, etc. I just listen and try to detach. Her brother says I should ignore everything she says, that shes just beginning the process of recovery, that all of the hateful talk is just noise, etc. She told me her counselor is recommending she stay on at the treatment center for two weeks of outpatient, which would mean wed have to pay room and board. Im already $10,000 in the hole from my behavioral health deductible on my insurance, but mercifully, the rest has been covered.
I am struggling about what to do. I did have a consultation with an attorney. He is ready to file as soon as I turn over his paperwork and retainer. I love my wife and would prefer reconciliation, but Im terrified of what will happen when she comes back. She is obviously nowhere near contrition. I am stung by the infidelities but feel that with counseling I could consign them to the influence of her disease, and I have no evidence that shes fully consummated any of these relationships. If she can get better, I would want to stay married. Honestly, I dont really think she wants to be married to me anymore right now; she just wont straight-up say it because she wants to be back with our kids and live in our house. I dont want to separate her from the kids and I dont want to put her on the street, but I cant bear the thought of the same insanity coming down on us again. My mother is urging me to file for divorce for the childrens sake. My father-in-law also urges that I put the kids first (he was the one to suggest the protective order), but his talk mostly leans toward forgiveness and patience. He and her mother have made it clear that they will not take her in. I have no idea where she will go if I have her legally barred from the house. My priest says I should file for divorce, shes too far gone, she has to stand on her own, she was the one to break the marital vows, so Im in the clear with the Higher Power, etc. My therapist was noncommittal but said that at the least I should expect contrition from her. Our last conversation suggests that she is a long way from that.
I don't have much doubt that I'd get full custody of the kids because there's a paper trail of her insane behavior over the past few months, but the divorce would force us out of our house, devastate our already shaky finances, and, I fear, hurt her recovery process, since she has no job, no friends, no place to stay, her parents won't take her in, etc. We are supposed to have a conference call with her counselor at rehab about continuing care and transition, but I don't know if or when that's going to happen because I don't know if she's signed the release yet that will enable the counselor to call me. She has no plan whatsoever right now; I think she thinks she's coming home. I did speak to the counselor once--she couldn't tell me anything because of HIPAA, but I made clear to her that I didn't want her back in the house unless I had clear evidence that it would be a safe and healthy environment for the kids. My wife has said the counselor has told her she doesn't think it's a good idea for her to come home. Last time we talked, she had sort of turned on the counselor and was arguing that they only wanted her to stay on in out-patient to bleed more money from the insurance company. I think I know what I have to do, but it isn't what I want to do. My heart is still holding out for a miracle.
I know folks dont tell other folks what to do, but I could use some feedback in terms of shared experiences. Reading over this message, it seems pretty obvious that the practical thing to do is to move forward with the divorce filing, but I do love her and am terrified that putting her out will halt any progress shes made toward full recovery.
Sorry for the book-length story. I could really use some help.
((fM)) i am so sorry that the disease of alcoholism seems to be present in your marriage. Alcoholism is a chronic disease over which we are powerless. AA is the recovery program for the problem drinker and Alanon is a recovery program for family members who have tried to cope with the insanity of the disease. Alanon offers face to face meetings in most communities where we can brake the isolation caused by living in the insanity and develop new tools to live by
It is suggested that we make no major life changes for the first 6 months so that we can develop clarity on the situation There is hope please do keep coming back.
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Hi, fm1, welcome to the board. I'm so sorry about the craziness you and your family have gone through... I don't have children, so I can't share anything regarding this aspect, but safety first, and its unfortunately abundantly clear your wife is absolutely incapable of looking after children and is a danger... One of the first things I learned in Alanon was the 3 Cs: I didn't Cause it (alcoholism), I can't Control it, and I can't Cure it. I can share that I've felt as you feel, that me doing or not doing something will facilitate the other person's drinking, I was really afraid of that. But I've learned through the program that the other person will either drink or won't, and its not something I have control over (thank God)... Everyone has their own rock bottom, and I think even the alcoholics themselves do not know what theirs is until they hit it, let alone anyone else. I'd tried to curb my A's drinking for years, and ultimately things only got worse in the long run - for him and for me. I encourage you to attend Alanon face to face meetings if you haven't already. There is help and hope in the rooms of Alanon, I definitely found it there. Keep coming back here as well, you are not alone.
Welcome fm1 - glad you found us and glad that you shared. I too am sorry for all the chaos/insanity/pain brought about by the disease. Just about every paragraph of your story...I could relate to. I can share that until I truly detached and allowed full consequences to happen, nothing changed.
I've got an AH and his major consequence has been 2 heart attacks, 3 stents and triple bypass surgery. He's replaced his alcohol consumption with a pill addiction and we are still together. He knows to keep distance from me if he's under the influence.
We have 2 sons and have had experience with both ARU (Addiction Recovery Units) and MHC (Mental Health Centers). I believe the count is 12 between the 2 of them. They are (as best I know) both sober right now - one about 30 days and the other about 5 months.
Neither live with me/us as they burnt the bridge time and time again. Al-Anon saved my sanity and gave me a support tribe like no other. There is hope and help in recovery - keep coming back!
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First of all, you sound like an an amazing man. What you tolerated for your wife. You have to do what is best for you and your children. I live with an active alcoholic BF and its unstable. I never know when he will drink. If, I knew I would plan an escape, a holiday, as I have a visa. But I am scared to leave my country to get away, and afraid to go alone. I relate to your story, I hear you! What does your heart say? Does taking a break make sense to you, to get your head straighten out? You do not have have to decide anything today. Just something to consider. There are options. Separation and see what happens. You do not have to rush to a divorce now, unless you want to. The first thing is get your head on right. Get help for you-get to an al-anon meeting or read on line here, read and read, learn everything you can about alcoholism. Information is power, they say. I am ready to leave my ABF as I had enough. Right now, I have to be clear, certain about my decision. I have to get myself strong before I decide what to do. Your wife is lucky to be with a good man like you, she is sick and needs her own help, just like you do. Time will decide what will happen. I know I live with an alcoholic, that is insane. I mean insane and its awful. I understand. Hang in there and know that you will get there, one day, one step at a time!
betty's reply up there says volumes .. i second it .. theres a spot up there by the top of the page where you sign in that shows when you have personal messages .. are you aware of these ? messages are a good way to keep in touch in between shares .. just sayin .. lots of support is sometimes needed in these rooms .. we read in meetings .. without such 'spiritual help .. living with alcoholism is too much for most of us .. (alone) i say loving an alcoholic too ..
Aloha FM and welcome to the board from another male who has walked in your shoes. I also was in a marriage relationship with 2 women...my wife and my alcoholic/addict. That statement is a reality statement. When my alcoholic/addict wife was drinking and using I was left with the desire and focus and want of the woman who wasn't there. There were hospitals, police, program, and all of the other things you mentioned. The victims of this disease pretty much go thru the same consequences from it.
It was in early Al-Anon that we use to read the AMA's (American Medical Association's) definition of Alcoholism and because of my desire for my wife I use to get very depressed as it painted the picture I needed to know and wanted to deny.
"Alcoholism is a 4 fold disease of the mind, body, spirit and emotions. It can never be cure and only arrested by total abstinence. If not arrested by total abstinence is will progress into insanity and/or death. Alcoholism affects everyone it comes into contact with and we become as sick or sicker than the alcoholic though we do not have the anesthesia of alcohol to block out reality, there fore we get much worse. The alcoholic has but three choices...sobriety, insanity and death." This is in part what I learned 40 years ago when I got into Al-Anon. I was born and raised in the disease; both sides of my family are alcoholic/addict and the disease has moved up and into the lives of my children and grand children...It is in our/my DNA and I am a double member including AA.
What I did when I first got into recovery in Al-Anon and was no longer resistant to help from others (part of the disease) was to learn everything I could about alcohol and alcoholism including going to college. Don't take my word for it...get as much information as you can about this deadly disease and read it all on top of asking others who have been in the recovery phases what they have learned also.
Everything you learn will not get and keep your alcoholic sane and sober; it will help you understand that the child of God you are married to is in a daily deadly battle for her life and alcohol is determined that she loose that battle. As soon as possible get into both programs of AA and Al-Anon and listen, listen, listen and then practice what works for others. You did say that you have been quite a drinker in your own right and alcoholism is a patient disease it will wait to get you back and then do you in with or without your wife.
My wife needed a power much greater than myself to finally get clean and sober and that Higher Power was God and although I played the part often of being her god I was never close at all. I did get close enough to realized that I did the whole part of my life backwards and then I didn't know about alcoholism and didn't know that I didn't know. After college I became a Behavioral Health Therapist and worked with hundreds of others who have been affected as you and I have been. This is not a party with a party chemical. Alcoholism is a fatal disease which at times I had to choose between my life, her life and our lives. I went for saving my life which is who is sharing with your now. Find the nearest, soonest face to face meetings of Al-Anon and AA and stay with those for 90 days in a row. Get as much program literature as you can to read about what it was like, what happened and what it is like now for those of us who found and hold on to recovery. If you have an awareness of a Power much greater than yourself...hang on tight daily and turn your blessed wife over to that Higher Power.
I am sad with you for what you are going thru and I revisit the grief and insanity you and she are going thru...been there, done that and get a daily invitation to be there and do that more. But for the program and MIP (here) I have rarely decided to do it again.