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Alone and angry


Hello Im New here! My husband just got back from rehab he was there for two months He has been back for two weeks now and I am wondering what is happening with our marriage. For three years he was not available to us for two months he was gone he is back and only into himself we live apart we have two grown children 20,17. I feel awfully alone and emotionally disconnected I'm very lonely and he only cares about himself so now he is back from rehab and I'm needing to give him more time and let him be even more selfish ..... i'm very lonely and I never really got an apology or appreciation for still caring on my two jobs and running this household with both children all alone . I'm tired and I'm lonely and I'm wondering what his intentions are where our marriage is going. He comes over here for a day or two then leaves and goes back home as we live apart ...... as soon as I am needing help with errands or any other life duty he leaves. However I am not able to leave I have to stay here and take care of life and the dogs and the children ....etc. I was hoping he would come back and at least make small efforts in doing little things for us in turn of course I support him and so do the children. But I can tell you I have anger and irritated I'm lonely I'm frustrated I'm alone none of my needs or even being considered .... ughh

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I can relate to how you feel. I was angry and frustrated too until I began attending alanon meetings and working a program of recovery. I learned I had to meet my own needs my life was my responsibility and no one else's. I was expecting a sick man to give me what he just never ever had to give.

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Welcome Mercedes, as LC has suggested, alcoholism is indeed a chronic, progressive disease which manifests in many unhealthy ways, even after the drinking has ended. This dreadful disease affects not only the problem drinker but the entire family as well  We develop many destructive tools in order to survive the insanity of the disease.
Alanon is a program developed for the family of alcoholics and face to face meetings are held in most communities . The hot line number is in the white pages.

It is at these meetings that I found the support I needed to keep showing up and taking care of myself. I was given new constructive tools to live by and a supportive network of like minded friends to share with. I learned to keep the focus on myself, live one day at a time, to search out my negative attitudes and replace them with positive ones
Please know that there is hope so-- do keep coming back



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Hugs ((Mercedes)), you're not alone, I can relate in that all you really want is some warm, loving emotional support and all you get is ice cold distance. My very lovely, but sometimes toxic AH (not in recovery) and I live separately during the work week also, and I too pick up most of the slack with the children and it can get lonely. I attend meetings, read the literature and lean on a power greater than me to help make my life more manageable. Al-Anon provides us the tools to take the focus off of what our qualifiers are or aren't doing and puts the focus on us so that we can live full, healthy lives.



-- Edited by _bunny_ on Wednesday 2nd of August 2017 07:36:13 AM

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Welcome M!

I can really relate to your post. My wife went through a similar phase, and we lived separately for a while as well. I was home with the shoveling, mowing, 4 dogs and 6 cats, and she came to visit on the weekends. Even after she had progressed and moved back in, it was almost worse than when she was gone, because she was present and making messes, but not doing any of the clean-up on a regular basis.

Stepping up my Al-Anon meetings and program work helped me to keep the focus on myself. My mantra at the time for myself was "You would be doing X whether or not she was around. You may as well get on with it."

Recovery is different for everyone, and some people stay sober, some do not. Some progress in recovery, some stay at the dry drunk stage. For my wife, it took her a good two years of recovery to get to the point where she started to feel as though she ought to do some things to help at home and actually felt mentally capable of doing them.

Focusing on yourself, your life, and your Al-Anon program can really help you find serenity in the situation, whether or not your husband is present, and whether or not he stays sober.

I hope you keep coming back, Al-Anon was a real life-saver for me!

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I too send warm welcomes to you Mercedes - so glad you found us and that you shared. I'm sorry that you've been affected by the family disease of alcoholism. It is a chronic progressive disease, and the best way to deal/heal is to work on recovery for you. I did not think I needed recovery and kept feeling mad/sad/anxious/overwhelmed, and then finally surrendered and figured - nothing is getting better...may as well.

Needless to say, I did learn in Al-Anon how to live one day at a time. I learned many tools to deal with the disease in me and to detach from others with love. I also learned how to respond in healthy ways instead of being reactive most of the time. Lastly, I learned how to have joy and peace from within, no matter what another is/is not doing.

Please keep coming back - you are not alone and there is hope and help in recovery...

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Thank you all so much for replying. That's exactly it I respond reactively and my love language is acts of service so I look for help around house/family/errands if I don't get it I feel unloved and then mad hurt then angry. It's really been 10 years of him drinking then last 3 years we moved apart ( still together) but now he's out of recovery and his mind is present I guess I thought he'd come home still work on himself but also TRY to help more and repair "us", slowly ..... he did try he came over stayed the night but I saw him really putting himself first rather than helping ..... I got bitchy ( because I'm hurt) and so he left. He also was in touch with some old girlFRIENDS AND THAT didn't help any so I said fine your leaving well then don't come around unless you want to "be married". Anyhow he sends clips (snap chats) every day but he's not TEXTING ( "talking"), so I send clips too but today I decided not to send any ...because he is not REALLY THERE" for me and kinda ignoring me so I need to detach and get a grip on my feelings. ( is that wrong)? Also Don't get me wrong I'm THRILLED HES SOBER OMG!!!! Thrilled but Women like to know where they stand and also I don't want to keep giving and giving and getting nothing. He stays the night leaves when he wants (WHY WOULD HE RETURN HOME)? I do know men connect through sex and women by "communicating/talking", I don't want to divorce I don't want to see other men but I have needs too!!! And he should know my needs have not been met for ohhh 9 years!!! How do I search for Al anon meeting in MY AREA? Thank you for listening !!! - feeling so abandoned

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Hi, Mercedes, to search for Al Anon meetings in your area, go to the following link, and then enter your city, county, or state. This page covers the US, Canada, and Bermuda:

al-anon.info/MeetingSearch/Al-AnonMeetings.aspx

Best wishes, you are not alone.

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Hello and welcome. Like many others, I too understand how you feel and I too felt the same things. While I -- nor anyone else -- can't speak to any specifics about what your husband is feeling, why he's doing what he's going, etc. -- I can share with you my experience and what I went through. It is very common for someone to come out of rehab and appear to be very selfish, only concerned about themselves, etc. It is common for us to feel abandoned, lonely, and alone. As a result, we can get angry and have a great deal of resentment. Why? Well, when an alcoholic comes out of rehab, if they are committed to recovery, and truly want to stay clean and sober...then that is all they focus on. If they are truly wanting to stay clean and sober -- that is the most important thing in their lives. They are still "raw" and newly clean and sober -- and they can be struggling. It can be an all out struggle and battle for them to stay clean and sober, and they do so, one day at a time. Often, they immerse themselves in AA, going to meetings, spending time with their sponsor, and so on. Sometimes, all they do is focus on themselves and staying clean and sober. Nothing else is important. They can't yet "work on the marriage" or be "part of the marriage" -- not yet -- because they have to work on themselves and staying clean and sober. On the other hand, if none of this is the case, then perhaps the person is simply being selfish. Sometimes it's obvious, sometimes you just don't know. That's my experience.

As far as the apology or appreciation -- a few things -- first, that is about our expectations. Sure, we want it, we deserve it. However, that may come in time or it may not come at all. We have to not have that expectations, because the alcoholic will do that -- when and if they want to. That is part of their recovery and there is nothing we can do about that. I waited for an apology, for years. And never got one. But her apologizing -- her making amends -- is up to her. It is part of her recovery. It is not up to me and certainly is not contingent on me deserving it or not. My needs, my feelings, my needing help, with simple day to day tasks -- none of that mattered. At one point, she was simply incapable of doing those things. She was emotionally bankrupt and simply could not do those things. At another point, she couldn't do those things because she was 100% focused on her recovery, and staying clean and sober. At another point, she simply didn't feel the need to do so. That was her choice. My choice was how to handle that and how that impacted me. I was angry -- so I did the work I needed to do, on me -- so I could get past the anger and not have it consume me.

He is going to do what he is going to do. Trying to figure it out may drive you crazy. There is nothing you can do about it. Have high hopes and low expectations. Your expectations of what he "should" do is part of how this disease has manifested and impacted you. In al-anon, you can learn how all of that doesn't have to impact you in negative ways, and they don't have to make you unhealthy, angry, sad, disappointed, and so on.

Now is the time for you to focus on you. Go to face to face meetings, find a sponsor and start doing the work -- on YOU. Keep coming back.



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I like what el-cee said...I had to meet my OWN needs, and not rely on someone else...especially a sick man who is just out of rehab whose cup was probably always empty...That said, I think I would hit the Al-anon meets and find some folks that are "flying in a good direction" and make new friendship circles without alcohol and take care of myself....I was bitter and resentful too, as I married TWO alcoholics, but finally when I got into recovery after the 2nd one, I found out REAL quick that my needs and my life and my happiness is ALL my responsibility..AND hanging out with healthier people , I notice that my needs for equality and stability and mutuality in a relationship/friendship are met...just by default...Hanging with healthier people because I am healthier



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Thank you..... I can get a sponsor??? Even tho I'm not an alcoholic? ....... He messaged me tonight to tell me to move on and that he needs to focus on his happiness and that I claim the victim all the time and that I'm "drama". Then he blocked my number only to reach him on Snapchat. I'm in bed now numb sick to my stomach hoping This is all a dream. Do so even bother going to Alonon if my "husband" is just going to leave me? Ughhh.... married 21 years.... together 7 so 28 together is this really happening??? WTF

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yes, you can get a sponsor, of course...you are in Al-anon and affected by his drinking....sounds like he , for now, anyway, wants to be done with his current life...Nothing you can do about changing him, but you can do plenty to change you...I know...it sucks...you invest time into someone and it goes down the tubes...like many of us, you wanted a "return" on your "investment" and it didn't happen....so you fold your cards and you leave the game...or in this case, you accept HIS leaving the game.....I'm sorry this happened to you....this is so sad....but you know??? Nobody is gonna meet your needs but you........I see a need for step 4, why did you settle for someone whose cup is seemingly always empty for you....reading your post, seems you did all the giving, him the taking....that isn't a relationship that fosters respect, healthy interaction, healthy self expression at all....You deserve to be among folks who are offering stability, mutuality, equality, give and take , respect....as I recover., I seem to attract those kinds of folks, the healthy ones because I am getting healthier.....when someone, even saying it in anger says something to me...."victim" "drama" working step 4 will help you see , is that true??? or is it just him projecting HIS inventory on you??? when folks say things to me that are hurtful, not complimentary, I THINK about it...I do a quick step 10....is there fire where the smoke is or are they just blowing smoke up me??? sometimes the biggest truths can be said in a moment of frustration or anger....sometimes its his inventory hes tossing at you...if this were me, I would look at me...write a journal, how do i behave around him??? do I react?? or respond in a healthy way???? I know, you put in a long time, so how long more are you gonna be round and round with him and misery OR just let go...detach....wish him well and "move on" like he said....and I would "move on" straight to a meeting and I would grab a sponsor and start working on me....I'm so sorry this happened...it hurts....it sucks...but its often a life with an alcoholic.......so you got a choice...put your life on hold and hope he "comes around" SOMEday ----OR decide to take care of you and do what you gotta do to make yourself healthier.....You can do this...I see strength in your posts...I see someone who CAN step up and take care......how about putting that energy and effort and hard work on the one who deserves it???? You.........sending you HUGS and BIG time support

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Aloha Mercy and welcome to the family MIP.  You have been affected and victimized by alcoholism and an alcoholic which has abused your mind, body, spirit and emotions.  It has done that to all of us and only one of the things I had to learn and the learn how to do because the disease also affected me so deeply was to learn how to drop my expectations of my alcoholic/addict wife (all of them) and plant myself deeply in the Al-Anon Program which is attached to the AA program.  No most of us don't have a drinking problem however the 12 steps, traditions and 12 concepts help us to recovery from a "drinker" problem.

There is much peace of mind, sanity and serenity that you can have working this program regardless of what your own alcoholic is or is not doing, saying, feeling and more. What you came to realize as real isn't in this disease and one of it's major characteristics is insanity.

You are qualified for our program and we stand with you in support.   Welcome home (((((Hugs)))))  smile

 

When my last alcoholic/addict wife was doing the walk away from our family and relationship I was completely lost of spirit and when I talked to my early sponsor about it she said, "Ohhhh well" and then nothing more.    I got it...I am powerless over alcoholism and my life had become unmanageable.    Keep coming back.   



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Okayy... thank you guys. NO SLEEP and you said it ...insanity!! I will go to meetings and find a sponsor because if not I will sleep my life away. His words "I'm so done with you it's not funny". His words.... "Have a great life"! Both the kids live with me.... ALL I do is work, clean, cook, attend appoint. W/kids and groom dogs, and work a second job, then repeat!! I lost my Mom in 2012 ( her mom my grandmother a few months ago), so my BIG CHEERLEADERS are gone now my husband. Yes he was never really here for us he was but in HIS WAY. He says I don't appreciate him and that I take him for granted. He has pushed everyone in his family to the side. EVERYONE! Now ..... ( we were his ONLY family) -who loved on him and were always there for him!! i.e. Welcome home Daddy sign at airport returning from rehab just two weeks ago. NOW..... I began to request for a little around here and he packed his overnight suitcase and left. Then sends me a break up text then blocks me. I don't know how to be alone and don't want to be BUT I need him to consider our needs a little more than he has. I guess it's too much to ask for. Thank you so so much for your replies..... It will get me out of bed to a meeting...... today off I go out of town for a training for work I don't know if I will even pay attention!! Soo so scared..... so alone.... I don't like this at all I tell ya!!!!- I don't even know the steps!!!

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Mercedes - if you look to the top right, you can see the steps of Al-Anon by clicking through the Step board....sorry about no sleep - just focus on today as best you can. In the beginning, staying present really helped me as my mind tended to see 'bad' in both the past and the future. The here/now were tons more safe.

Let us know how the meeting goes - keep an open mind and if that one doesn't work, the program suggests trying others until you find a good fit. (((Hugs)))

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Bo


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Mercy -- first, yes, you can get a sponsor. From day one moment one. That is up to you. Second, even though you are not an alcoholic? This is al-anon. This is our program. This is a program for us. AA is their program. It is for them. This is where we get better. As far as he messaged you, what he said, etc. -- focus on YOU. Forget about all the drama, blame, accusations. Focus on YOU.

Third, yes, go to al-anon. Period. Whether he leaves, stays, is drinking, is sober. Doesn't matter. You really need to understand what this program is all about and why you should be here. You are so wrapped up and focused on him -- what he said, what he did, what he's doing, and so on. Stop. Breathe. Get to meetings, find a sponsor and focus on YOU.

All the best, and keep coming back.



-- Edited by Bo on Thursday 3rd of August 2017 12:37:37 PM

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I go with Bo....When I was so obsessed with my qualifiers, i literally "filed me" in some file cabinet and totally obsessed about HIM....I lost the focus on me and taking care of me....what did it net me??? anger...bitterness...MORE rage to add to my childhood rage...more feeling helpless to add to my not healed childhood helplessness....FINALLY I took stock of me and said "what are you here for???? the users, takers, abusers, emotionally unavailable *fixer uppers"???" How about fixing up ME/??? where do I come in???? when do I consider MY needs???? MY wants????? i was so wrapped up in my qualifiers past and REALLY past that I had totally abandoned me...I abandoned me like all my qualifiers did....I had to make amends to me for that and STOP IT.....yea, give some one a boost who WANTS to help themselves and I underscore the "help those who want to help themselves" but still!!! NEVER EVER abandon me again...program showed me how.....thank God for Al-anon...it has literally brought me back to life...I was the emotional "Lazareth" this program breathed life back into me and AINT NOBODY taking my life away from me again...........Just saying

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