Practice the PAUSE...Pause before judging. Pause before assuming. Pause before accusing. Pause whenever you are about to react harshly and you will avoid doing and saying things you will later regret. ~~~~ Lori Deschene

IAmStrong · Member

Johns Status....

DavidG · ~*Service Worker*~

I am friends with John. With my living in the South Pacific he is mainly a facebook friend. No sign of action there for three days. Will post any new information. I share your love and concern....

IAmStrong · Member

TY David....God Speed to John.

KennyFenderjazz · ~*Service Worker*~

Also, the post is still here and his picture is still there, I just looked at it. http://alanon.activeboard.com/t63100577/the-transition-of-mip-meeting/

IAmStrong · Member

Yes, TY for the correction.

DavidG · ~*Service Worker*~

No news from John for four days...

...at some point I think someone should make contact with the server for the board, and apprise them of the situation...

ACA has two group reps- but neither of us can make it Sunday. Alanon is by far the biggest group here on MIP... and "we" are drawing close to "the mother" at this time.

hotrod · ~*Service Worker*~

I spoke to John today and there is no need to panic. He is recovering and in complete control of his business sense. I know he will reach out to alert us in plenty of time to address the financials and server issues. Meanwhile the scheduled follow up transition meeting will continue to be held in the alanon chat room this Sunday at 6:PM.
David, we can discuss your suggestions at that time.

-

Jerry F · ~*Service Worker*~

Mahalo sister...

hotrod · ~*Service Worker*~

Jerry and MIp Na'u ka hau'oli aww

lookingup · ~*Service Worker*~

smile smile

IAmStrong · Member

Well Good to know! Panicking? No. Prudent thinking to allow continuance if Gods will was present. Glad to know I can throw the concern away. Wishing you all well as you proceed with this. God Speed to all!

hotrod · ~*Service Worker*~

We held our transition meeting today and are moving forward. Financials were discussed and I will contact John tomorrow and hope to provide more updated information then.

Enigmatic · ~*Service Worker*~

Thank you for your service and update on this issue, Betty, much appreciated

Iamhere · ~*Service Worker*~

Ditto - thank you for the update and continuing to lift John and MIP up in prayer!!

DavidG · ~*Service Worker*~

Hi y'all. aww

The Alanon board is the biggest here with about 1000 hits per day.

The ACA board is the next biggest with about 200 hits per day.

We have two group reps, Mrs Snoopy, and myself david.

I contacted the server and came up with this information. It should complement Betty's approach to John today.

I replied to Dan- to contact John with the information.

"From: Sparklit Support - Dan

Posted On: 2017-01-23 09:49:15

Hi David,

I'm sorry to hear about John's illness.

There is an outstanding balance on the account, and the account may end
up being downgraded to a free version quite soon unless it is cleared
up. Should I pass on the specifics to John's email address?

Cheers,

Dan
Sparklit Support

hotrod · ~*Service Worker*~

Hi David-"free" status sounds good to me. What does that actually mean?

DavidG · ~*Service Worker*~

Questions I would ask...

what service would we get here is we were on a free version?

Would it be possible to chip in through John's account to keep our account current?

How much is owing?

hotrod · ~*Service Worker*~

Hi David Those are important questions and ones' I have asked John and am sure he will answer. When you indicated that we might go to "free" status I thought you might know what that covered - i was simply curious.:)
More will be revealed

DavidG · ~*Service Worker*~

((((Betty))))

This will work out well, long term... off to a good start, doing the housekeeping... and showing our care love and concern to John...

I popped into the meeting yesterday, from work- trying out my new I phone. But because of the time zones it is easier to cover any details here.

Everyone will pitch in- where they are needed... smile smile smile smile ...

DavidG · ~*Service Worker*~

He aha te waiata... ...aha mele...

...the last time I saw you in person... like Alice in Wonderland was disappearing down a rabbit-hole, in the form of the NY subway!

I recall your parting words, and gentle concern smile ...

maybe i am just floating around here in cyberspace, communicating with my I-phone- my ultimate fate... biggrin

KennyFenderjazz · ~*Service Worker*~

Looking at the sparklit webpage, I don't see a free option, the cheapest I see is a US$6.49 version. I think John is on the $17.98 version, based on the meeting last night. Perhaps they would give us the cheapest version as a courtesy for a while? I suspect anything free wouldn't have nearly as many users available, etc.

Kenny

hotrod · ~*Service Worker*~

Thanks Kenny We can review this at the transition meeting on Sunday.

David, I was concerned about your riding the "MTA" and am glad that you managed so well and "returned " aww

IAmStrong · Member

What transition meeting??? lol I popped in just now to read your update you said you would post yesterday on past Sundays "meeting". There isn't one.

Several were inactive, you, Edna and others...No one answered basic questions or even acknowledged me. No one could answer my question for what was planned, or even say hello. A number of people were present. I saw others post things such as, "it must be a big secret" and leave...it was apparent others who attended were ignored as well. Your response here is lacking. Maybe it is not intended. You indicate ALL IS WELL:)))

Dave has shown otherwise, including Kenny and these are the same types of questions I was inquiring about as well. I was ready to help financially once details were discovered. Only it is discouraged and no information regarding coming two weeks in a row to learn Nada. Well, I believe this is not doing a service to the board. Opportunity for others involvement is being a part of the solution is discouraged, as the rest of us are not omnipotent. Transparency is lacking. It should have been stated, "A meeting will be held to vote in two reps from each area. The reps will meet and work out the details, and inform everyone else when they are ready to. Until then, continue as usual." Truthfully, this is what is displayed. If there is a future meeting, when, and where and the agenda should be posted for all to see. This is nonsense.

If it is a closed meeting as this past Sunday appears to be, it should be stated as so as to not waste peoples time. Also, the 2nd person on the Al Anon meeting room was not voted in at 50%, but apparently that is irrelevant as is the other "decisions" here? I counted the votes and the attendees. It was Below 50%, thus my asking for the remaining votes so no one would question at any time. No one took minutes. My question was disregarded. So, I now hold the belief there Is No Order. No meeting or election should be handled as such. Things should be undertaken with order, and not confusion. So I guess I will say, ty for the confusion! For those who have time for it. I don't with my own hospice situation I am liable for.

I myself am a person who is proactive, not reactive. Plan A, B and C should be at the ready to Avoid any collapse or partial services. Apparently, it is a panicking thought to think, or organize in this fashion.

Best Regards towards the success of this site, informative order and non controlling management when the help of all was initially sought. Words, and actions are not matching. Continued prayers as always for John, and MIP.

IAmStrong · Member

RE: Johns and/or MIPS Status

a4l · ~*Service Worker*~

Johns Status....

Mrs_Snoopy · Veteran Member

Hi, Mrs. Snoopy from ACA here.

IAmStrong, you make some good points.

IMHO, the Committee needs some basic organizational structure; meeting notices, agendas, minutes, etc. It is very difficult for 21 people to agree on anything and get things done; there should be two representatives per group as originally planned.

I believe the Committee needs to appoint a business manager who will get the admin rights from John, pay the outstanding bill, and keep the site going. Then the group needs to find a way to generate the minimal funds to pay for the site.

Just my ....

In Recovery,

Mrs. Snoopy

Doingmybest · Senior Member

I do not wish to get in to the discussion, but wanted to let users know they can pop over to the AA board and read the info on John. It is VERY INFORMATIVE.

Wishing all of us a wonderful and blessed day.....

Mrs_Snoopy · Veteran Member

Thanks for the info., Doingmybest.

In Recovery,

Mrs. Snoopy

hotrod · ~*Service Worker*~

Great meeting format Ms Snoopy. I do believe all the confusion that was experienced at the transition meeting developed because everyone was waiting for John to arrive and chair the meeting. He did not attend and then someone kindly volunteer to chair. I for one am not a regular chat room attendee and did not know the established format for sharing= like how to indicate that you want to speak etc. I do believe that no agenda was developed because they felt John would host the next meeting and move us forward.

I have been unable to talk to John this past week . His nurse indicated he was holding his own and would call me back but I did not receive any call. I too have contacted the Board administrator and been advised of the amount due on the outstanding bills and received a breakdown of such. John has been ccd on all correspondence
Since he is the sole owner, I am hesitant about providing information to the entire Board that might appear detrimental to him . Since there is no plan to transition the Boards from John ,as yet it appeared premature to negotiate a format to replace him. The Board web administrator has been informed and states that they want a signoff from John to move forward.

There is still time to accomplish all we need and I believe the next meeting will be more professional. I have advised the meeting chair and others from the committee of my findings and am hopeful. Tanin from the AA Board has volunteered to co administer the Boards and the financials are manageable . Still attempting to connect with John,

Enigmatic · ~*Service Worker*~

Hello, Iamstrong. I was present at the original meeting called for by John on 1/15/17, 6pm EST. Without John in attendance, it is true there was some uncertainty, but those who were there for the duration of the meeting witnessed clear and transparent movement toward completion of one of the goals John set: appointment of representatives from the groups, along with establishment of the next step.

The largest group on the MIP board, AlAnon, received nomination of two representative members, hotrod and Kenny. These two were voted in by majority, with no dissenting votes. Member representatives from AA, NA, and ACOA were discussed and received at least partial fulfillment. Nominated representatives from those groups agreed on a meeting the following week during which they would move on with the discussion regarding the future of each group and MIP as a whole.

I have a transcript of that meeting, and do not see your name in discussion nor in voting, unless you were under a different name. The second meeting was set up for the elected representatives, and not intended to be an open discussion. I am very confident in the representatives chosen during that meeting, hotrod and Kenny, and their ability and commitment to work with the other representatives to do what is best for the board, group, and MIP.

Our representatives, and hotrod in particular, have expressed that they are doing all they can in their capacity. If you have questions about what transpired during the first meeting, I would be glad to assist, just pm me. I am grateful for the wisdom of the group and the selfless service of its members

DavidG · ~*Service Worker*~

Hi y'all...

I draw on the 12 concepts that all of our groups have- about achieving accord and consensus.

There is enough goodwill around MIP to achieve this- and more...

I was concerned when john did not make his Tradition 7 call at the end of last year.

It would not make sense to make payments though his house grooming account.

Is there a way of making payment direct to Sparklit to keep the account current?

I am hopeless at digital technology- not my bag. I do know how committees work at a small town level. I believe we did this on the ACA board when we selected Mrs Snoopy and myself as group reps.

I might be a lot easier to meet here on the Alanon board... not only do we have minutes, but we have the whole transcript here which Alanon members, at least can see. It means that we all can keep up with developments 24/7.

Once the situation is stabilised maybe we could create a "clubhouse" board alongside the Steps board to cover our joint discussions and issues.

As it emerges there is a lot of goodwill and friendship here, round the MIP forums.

I was initially gutted about John... but then we do what we do in actual reality- we move forwards to build on his legacy. If we can do this while he is still around I am sure it will be a comfort to him...

smile ...

Mrs_Snoopy · Veteran Member

Thanks everyone for your service to MIP.

I don't see minutes from last Sunday's meeting, which I was unable to attend. Does the Committee have a mission statement? What are its defined responsibilities?

In Recovery,

Mrs. Snoopy

el-cee · ~*Service Worker*~

I dont have much time to give any meetings or be part of this but I wanted to thank the people who are doing the service work here and working towards resolution. Its good to see the program at work in this process. Its good examples of tolerance and patience and letting go and letting God.

This forum has a higher power and all will unfold as it should in God's time.

Change can be a trigger for me and I can react through fear of the unknown, maybe thats a symptom of alcoholism. I hope the folks doing the work here and volunteering for the jobs know that they are appreciated and valued and I for one are thankful for all the are doing.

hotrod · ~*Service Worker*~

I spoke to John last night, although he sounds weak he is a trooper and vows to be at the Meeting at 6 PM on Sunday. During the conversation he indicated that he felt that establishing a different pay pal account for MIP would be best and that he is not completely ready to turnover his role at MIP.

He indicated that he would send me an email that would provide detailed information that we can use to implement the transition and would discuss his overview on Sunday. I believe at that time we will have enough information to develop future plans.

Meeting again next Sunday same time.Here's cut & paste of the chat - more will be revealed:

ednaXray * SenoraBob snorks

ednaXray God, give me grace to accept with serenity

ednaXray the things that cannot be changed,

ednaXray Courage to change the things

ednaXray which should be changed,

ednaXray and the Wisdom to distinguish

ednaXray the one from the other.

ednaXray okay so, first thing first

ednaXray what groups are here today..2 people have said from the board. anyone else?

ednaXray alanon night meeting

ednaXray okay who all is from the aca group?

ednaXray I am from the alanon board I was speaking about chairing the transition meeting that

John called is that the meeitng we are all talking about

ednaXray * Indie5 (Mibbit@Chat4all-63EF776F.sub-174-218-2.myvzw.com) has joined #alanonchat

ednaXray just raise your hand by ! please

ednaXray okay..

ednaXray and from the AA room?

ednaXray okay then and from alanon room?

ednaXray and from the AA room?

ednaXray okay then and from alanon room?

ednaXray !

ednaXray !

ednaXray raise you hand..lol

ednaXray !

ednaXray !

ednaXray !

ednaXray !

ednaXray !

ednaXray !

ednaXray !

ednaXray what.

ednaXray ! i am in aa and alanon

ednaXray oh!

ednaXray !

ednaXray !

ednaXray * NavGrace1 (Mibbit@Chat4all-387447D.neb.res.rr.com) has joined #alanonchat

ednaXray so if he wants 2 people from each group present we have hotrod and kenny from

the board.

ednaXray basicly

ednaXray are you 2 willing to serve on a committee?

ednaXray yes

ednaXray yes, I am

ednaXray yes

ednaXray yes, I am

ednaXray thanks..

ednaXray * shine (Mibbit@Chat4all-F40D7F6D.gondtc.com) has joined #alanonchat

ednaXray shall we vote them in?

ednaXray all in favor say ! opped @

ednaXray !

ednaXray !

ednaXray opposed..

ednaXray !

ednaXray !

ednaXray !

ednaXray !

ednaXray !

ednaXray !

ednaXray !

ednaXray !

ednaXray * MikeM3 (Mibbit@Chat4all-EE46E7DC.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #alanonchat

ednaXray !

!

mspw !

ednaXray okay thats over half so good youre on the committee

NavGrace1

NavGrace1 !

MikeM3 Is there anyway to look up early posts from this session. Was logged into both NA & AA rooms

when someone mentioned lots of people over in AlAnon room...

ednaXray now we have noone from the AA room..so i guess aha

ednaXray anyone besides Mike from the NA room here?

ednaXray Mike would you be willing to sit on a committiee to work on saving the room?

ednaXray All of MIP?

ednaXray MikeMP3?

ednaXray ding?

ednaXray is anyone here from the AA room?

MikeM3 Has there been discussion of the why of saving MIP? My understanding it started as part of a

Recovery House that later went under. There are numerous other online venues. Not saying MIP should or

shouldn't end a natural death, just saying it should be openly questioned.

ednaXray well there was apost on the board..and by the founder

ednaXray I think the AlAnon room is still pretty vital

hotrod I agree

Enigmatic agree

flyonwall agree

Indie5 I agree

ednaXray I have been here 18 years and I hate to seeit or the board go down

Kenny The All anon roo is vital, I haven't really been in the other ones to know

ednaXray right

NavGrace1 Agreed. I first came 15 years ago. I don't know how the other rooms work but have

seen Many people through the years, from various countries benefited by this room.

ednaXray so it looks like were now to the alaon room

ednaXray Ill open for nominations to be on the committie

NavGrace1 I had checked others out. The ones I did see...were quite limited compared. My

experience anyways.

NavGrace1 I nominate Edna

hotrod I have heard from t he ACOA room and they are interested in continuing. One member could not

be here today

MikeM3 Yes I understand that John wants to see it survive. BUT John was supposed to give us some

details of the "nuts & bolts" including finances involved. While I've only been involved on the NA MIP for 6

years I've been involved in NA Service for 36 years.

mib_kawt6a The alanon forum is viable ae a stand alone forum

mbub I'll second Edna

ednaXray okay Mike message me

mspw !

mib_kawt6a So is the AA forum

ednaXray okay lets get this voting out of the way

ednaXray then well talk about aa and na

mspw I understood from John he just wanted us to get some reps chosen to discuss details later

NavGrace1 Edna, do you accept the nomination?

flyonwall ! I nominate edna

ednaXray yep

hotrod !

NavGrace1 Great, all in favor?

mspw I second edna

NavGrace1 !

Enigmatic !

hotrod !

flyonwall !

ednaXray all in favor say ! opposed say@

mspw !

NavGrace1 Oops, ty!

Kenny !

gunner !

smiley1 !

Indie5 !

debbi !

mspw !

grace !

ednaXray thank you all for votes

NavGrace1 We have over half. Welcome Edna!

ednaXray okay i wannta nominate kis? if noone is opposed

gunner ! for kis

NavGrace1 I Second

mspw ! kis

flyonwall !

NavGrace1 !

Enigmatic !

hotrod !

Kenny !

mbub !

grace !

NavGrace1 .....Kis? Do you accept? Forgot an important aspect....

kismetstrand ummm ok lol

NavGrace1

gunner

ednaXray okay thanks

NavGrace1 Continue with voting for Kis?

Tahoe !

ednaXray she said yep and theres plenty of votes

ednaXray so..AA

ednaXray is anyone here from AA?

flyonwall I am

flyonwall but i am not from the aa rooms in here

ednaXray well i was concerned for that room on MIP

flyonwall I thought so ok .

Wagonn I am

ednaXray So Mike and I are in PM and passing emails

ednaXray You Wagonn are from the MIP AA room?

Wagonn yes

Wagonn 12 years there

ednaXray Are you willing to be a rep to the committee?

ednaXray and maybe you could find another volunteer to help us out?

Wagonn I can try it

ednaXray Its occured to me that these other group should choose their people

ednaXray and vote on them not us

ednaXray not the alanonners

MikeM3 NA we already discussed representation before this meeting.

ednaXray so if you would be so kind Waggon as to do that little thing

ednaXray good sounds great NA

Tahoe good thought. Or just ask for volunteers?

mbub could we work with those present to at least get that ball rolling?

Wagonn i can message it out

Wagonn to aa

ednaXray right

ednaXray okay then

ednaXray thats sounds like a good start.

hotrod I do know of one ACOA MIP member who is willing but was unable to attend tonight

ednaXray I want to encorage you all friends not to worry..

ednaXray good

NavGrace1 !

ednaXray grace?

mspw not to worry?

mspw You feel it will all work out Edna?

ednaXray Oh I really dont have much doubt

mspw ahhhh

mspw sigh great

NavGrace1 I want to suggest that in hospice, there are good moments, and not good moments.

John not being here very well can be from having a bad day beyond his control.

MikeM3 Everything will work out in HPs will not ours...we just do the footwork.

NavGrace1 I am saying that as a former hospice nurse. With that, I do ask for patience and TY

each one for caring and being here. I agree with Edna..

mspw I have to leave....dinner and company thanks all

ednaXray Is there any other business?

NavGrace1 And Mike TY mspw

Kenny What is next action

Kenny ?

MikeM3 Back to the Green Bay Cowboys game on the Big Screen not my phone!

ednaXray well we need to call a meeting

ednaXray shall we try and figure a good time?

Kenny Agreed. Sunday evenings are actually my best time in general

ednaXray i can make a room to meet in

ednaXray can we say then meet here next sunday prepared to do some figuring?

Kenny OK, sounds good to me, same time?

NavGrace1 Sounds fine to me.

ednaXray okay

hotrod sounds good

MikeM3 Agree Sunday evenings USUALLY good time but the reality is next Sunday is both the AFC and

NFC Championship games.

ednaXray we will take the committee to a different room

kismetstrand oh is that superbowl sunday?

MikeM3 No, determines who will be in the Superbowl...

mbub that's in early feb

NavGrace1 lol.....oh how dare we! I've No clue!

kismetstrand k

ednaXray well, uh

gunner lol

Kenny So yes, superbowl will be on a future sunday evening

NavGrace1 I know its very important

ednaXray what about next saturday at this time?

kismetstrand grins

MikeM3 LIFE beyond service work is part of balance!

kismetstrand lol

gunner

kismetstrand fine with me edna

Kenny I should be able to do next Saturday

hotrod i am not available

ednaXray if someone says they have to go surfing I will crawl thru the lines and strangle them

MikeM3 Would earlier than 6pm EST be better for East Coasters?

Kenny 6 PM is ok for me

kismetstrand suggests to edna maybe we should ask our new reps what is good time/day for each?

Kenny Oj, sorry, didn't se hotrod's input there

ednaXray kenny are you available?

Kenny The earlier the worse for me on Saturday. Sunday all day

MikeM3 Rephrase: is there any opposition to 6pm next Saturday?

ednaXray hotrod cant do sat

ednaXray what about a weeknight?

hotrod I am not available Will be at a wedding

ednaXray friday?

ednaXray at 6 pm eastern

ednaXray or 8 pm eastern?

hotrod Weeknights works for me Friday 6 pm is OK

MikeM3 No not any weekday or evening. I have business(s) to run. 6pm EST is 3pm Pacific so no go.

Kenny Friday at 6 is ok for me

NavGrace1 OK....Fri not for me, our Christmas...didn't have with Mom on hospice...BUT not all

can be at each so balance is fine

NavGrace1 In other words, I am willing to not attend so more can

MikeM3 Back to Sunday 6pm EST sounds best for majority.

ednaXray okay

NavGrace1 Edna, can the scripts be kept and posted somewhere for those who can't attend?

IKN

ednaXray then we are set

NavGrace1 IDK a thought

ednaXray well Grace we will give reports, ill call a business meeting after

ednaXray in this room

NavGrace1 Very good

ednaXray okay i have some emails

ednaXray so

ednaXray lets finish up

ednaXray anyone have other questions or concerns

gunner !

ednaXray gunner?

gunner will the buisness meeting for after be posted on the board?

gunner I mean the time and day?

ednaXray how about if we post what went on?

gunner thats fine with me

ednaXray k

ednaXray Im calling this meeting over

NavGrace1 !

ednaXray will everyone elected please pm me your emails?

Chatting

ednaXray

gunner

hotrod

Kenny

kismetstrand

mib_fkan0e

MikeM3

NavGrace1

Idlers

debbi

Enigmatic

flyonwall

grace

mbub

NavGrace

SenoraBob

shine

smiley1

Tahoe

Wagonn

DavidG · ~*Service Worker*~

Betty- could we include "ACA interim GR" Mrs Snoopy on our message board? Thanks.

Everything seems fairly fluid round here at the moment. Gr8 to know John is in the loop!

All of a sudden we realise that we are surrounded by talented people!!! I am sure we all will make the best of all this...

((((((((( Betty ))))))))) ((((((((((MIP)))))))))

hotrod · ~*Service Worker*~

I do not understand your question David. Mrs Snoopy has posted here already. She is no doubt alrady registered

DavidG · ~*Service Worker*~

We have a round of messages on the message board.

ACA is still discussing group reps- but in the meantime we have me, and Mrs Snoopy.

Mrs Snoopy has joined the Alanon board- so could she be a part of the message board network?

Mrs_Snoopy · Veteran Member

Thanks for the update, hotrod. I am planning on being at Sunday's meeting.

In Recovery,

Mrs. Snoopy

DavidG · ~*Service Worker*~

John is is a bad way, right this moment... not sure how bad... please pray...

unbroken13 · Member

Thank you Hotrod for posting the meeting, will try and make it this Sunday. David thank you ...will continue praying for John....

The material presented here is not Al-Anon Conference Approved Literature. It is a method to exchange information, ideas, feelings, problems and solutions on a personal level.

Practice the PAUSE...Pause before judging. Pause before assuming. Pause before accusing. Pause whenever you are about to react harshly and you will avoid doing and saying things you will later regret. ~~~~ Lori Deschene