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Is this normal?


I am at the breaking point in my relationship. SO has always had a drinking problem. But he was so nice in the beginning and was more reserved about drinking around me. Then I noticed little things. I have never been a heavy drinker. A glass of wine or bottle of beer or mixed drink is about my limit. And I have one maybe once a month. Even the one drink can make my stomach cramp up a storm sometimes. At two, my head pounds and I am nauseated, whether or not I am intoxicated.

 

A total aside, I now realize I might be allergic or have an intolerance for the stuff.

 

Anyway. Since my drinking in the beginning would be reserved for weekends (because getting up and going to work is necessary) and then it was one or two glasses of something. Or rather, a glass and then I'd start in on the second and decide I didn't want it because it'd start to make me nauseous. So the SO would finish my drink. And his six pack. Then he'd start wondering why I'd still have five of a six pack in my fridge that I'd purchased for myself. Or singles of something my brother gave me that *GASP* stayed in the fridge for longer than 12 hours (this is how long it takes him to finish a twelve pack I learned a few weeks ago when I realized I maybe wasn't interested in dealing with his drinking anymore). So he'd ask if he could have one. One would become 2. You see where this goes. On and on until he doesn't even ask anymore. No matter if I tell him I was saving it for when I wanted it (you mean you don't want it right this second because it's in there????) or it was going to be brought to a dinner or party or as payment for pet care (you know it's bad when you have to purchase about 6 six-packs to pay your pet care because he keeps drinking the one that's slated for them), I could get super upset and he'd just say, "I'll replace it." I gave up on that. Because he'd just drink that too.

 

Then he started getting mean. Most likely because he could sense that his drinking was upsetting. Because once he starts he DOESN'T STOP UNTIL HE IS ASLEEP ON THE FLOOR. (And he talks and punches the air and snaps his fingers in his sleep when he's drunk, but acts like it's my problem that it disturbs my sleep and the only way to make it stop is to make him wake up).

 

It has been upsetting because he is not only mean to me (because I kept trying forever to get him to stop but then he'd just bug me to the point of breaking down and "loaning" him the money (which he only paid back half the time and would often go over the dollar amount specified by a little), he spends ridiculous amounts of his own and my money on it. The time he spent $15 instead of $8 when he knew money was tight and I was waiting to be paid, I realized that I had to put the moratorium on buying any for him or loaning him the money or whatever. But even that took a couple weeks to sink in. But that was maybe a month ago. I feel stupid that it took me that long to realize that I can't indulge that whim in any way if I want it to stop. He's even been sad a few times because he spent more money than he thought and suddenly can't even afford Taco Bell, let alone important things like his phone bill or therapy or whatever.

 

And I've tried to make things easy for him. His only responsibility last year was school while I worked (ahem still work) two jobs, went back to school, and paid (still pay) all the bills. But when he'd be in a drunken stupor he'd tell me how the previous summer he was the bread winner because I had been RIFed from a teaching position and was struggling to find a job. Which isn't totally true, because I was still paid salary due to me through the summer and only went a month without pay. But me being depressed is a bigger deal apparently than him trying every excuse to get alcohol. Then being mad when I compare him manipulating me into an enabler being like his father and father's wife. This only makes him mad because even though I've seen his father on a binge and it's scary similar to his binges, he's "nothing like (his) dad." Instead of things being easy, he would drink to the point of being too hungover to go to school, then be depressed about that, miss classes due to embarrassment, drink (because he's "at home and can do what he wants") some more, miss the rest of the week because he's even more embarrassed, then get drunk on the weekend. All while claiming it has no affect on me.

 

How it affects me:

I once had to follow him into the woods after he'd drunkenly walked to the store to get a bottle of wine (because he thought maybe he could drag me into it, because that makes it acceptable (something a friend had to explain to me)) and then wandered out to a partially frozen pond because he "misses the snow". I stayed up till 3 that morning making sure he didn't die in the woods and then having to listen to him prattle on about snow for an hour.

Once I had to stay late at work. Which he knew. So he decided he could get a drink at his job. (according to his co-workers he was black-out wasted). I called him when I was done, heard that drunk voice (which he totally absolutely doesn't have so stop lying about it), and went on high alert. It takes 45 minutes to drive from where I had been working to where he had been working. He apparently got off the phone with me. Had a couple more shots. Then hailed a cab. Then told me I was three hours late once I showed up at home since no one at his job knew where he was (this had been where I was supposed to get him; also he had no phone at the time). He said the clock on my phone was wrong. The time stamp on my call to him was wrong. And I was a liar (common trend, I am ALWAYS a liar apparently). This was a fight that went on for an hour. Then he found the two beers I'd been saving and had those.

He drunkenly made me stay up with him until 4 one night to brew beer.

His favorite thing is to accuse me of not spending enough time with him and make me sit downstairs watching Beyoncé videos with him. And Macklemore. And Adele. And Daft Punk. And watch him cry and be all emotional about the videos. Then he'd try to get me to start naming videos. (It's usually an hour or two after I should go to bed when this one happens, because he WON'T LET ME GO TO BED, LIKE, EVER WHEN HE'S DRUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!) When I refuse and go upstairs to try to go to bed, he turns on anything that could have a heavy bass line (which he knows nauseates me and hurts my ears) and turns up his speakers as loud as possible because he knows this will make me come back downstairs to tell him to be quiet and let me sleep. (you're being a b**** and you don't actually care about going to sleep). This goes on until he finally has consumed enough alcohol to fall asleep.

He once woke me up because I had "totally" hidden his wallet so show him where it is. I eventually had to get out of bed and show him anyplace I'd think to hide something before he believed I hadn't hidden it. I had hidden my wallet and my keys (because he was trying to get me to let him drive to the store). So to get him to leave me alone, I had to drive him to the store and buy him junk food. His wallet had fallen under the bed. This is one of the few times he's apologized for anything, and then it was for accusing me of hiding his wallet.

One day I was driving home from my parents' house after attending a craft fair or getting a haircut or something, I called him once I got into town to see if we needed anything besides bread. He of course sounded drunk. I was on high panic because his sister had called me. I get home and the apartment smells of booze and although probably not actually littered with it, seemed littered with it. I was livid because we had had plans to play a video game or go to a movie or something. So I went upstairs not even wanting to deal with it. So he immediately followed me into the bedroom saying I went upstairs to manipulate him to follow me upstairs (normal people go upstairs to get away from people just to get away from people... no ulterior motives...) I felt like I needed to call his sister. So I said, "I'm going for a walk." And he forced himself onto my walk. But wouldn't stop being a jerk about everything. Was trying to get me to psychoanalyze plants and such. When that happened, I just kept walking and when he didn't follow, I breathed a sigh of relief and called his sister. Who apparently knew he used to be kind of bad, but didn't know he'd ever been this bad. I eventually walked back, to find him standing at the door, having left his keys inside. He said I had been inside the whole time. He threw a wreath I had made that was on the door across the parking lot. He said I was a liar about calling his sister. Showing a time and date stamp didn't help. I started recording what he was saying. Then I deleted everything out of fear. The next day he apologized and said he'd been kicked out of school and handled the news wrong and would finally get the help I had been wanting him to get for months.

He went to maybe 3 therapy sessions and decided anxiety drugs were totally all he needed.

Anxiety drugs make him get drunk quicker and go completely crazy. On anxiety drugs, he forgets what he's had to drink. He sometimes lies about drinking, especially while drunk. He dragged me to a storm shelter during a downpour because the weather service had no idea what they were talking about when there wasn't even a tornado watch. (He will not apologize for dragging me from my calculus homework because he still thinks he was saving my life or whatever). He "hides" Four Loco from me (for some reason this is his new go-to) by saying it's anybody else's (usually the neighbor). He gets upset that I want nothing to do with him while he's drinking, but I'm too afraid to leave the house and go to my safehouse out of fear of the repercussions. He once borrowed my car without asking (he hasn't paid off his fines for a DUI and thus has no license). He called a whole bunch of people seeing if anyone wanted to hang out (very loudly talking on the phone) and then realized it was annoying to me so then just pretended to talk on the phone.

The list could go on...

 

A few weeks ago I called my mom after a bad episode, completely at a loss of what to do. She hadn't realized it had gotten this bad. She told me to give my position and then let him know that it's his last chance or that I can't deal with it much longer or whatever.

 

So within two weeks he's on a binge again (see talking on the phone to annoy me and then the next night dragging me to the storm shelter and just bugging me incessantly while I try to do homework. Oh, and making me sleep on the floor because "the bed is for winners and people who are right", the cats know who feeds them and scoops their litter and buys them toys and generally engages with them, they slept on the floor with me). The first night, I found solace and sleep by texting my mom for a while (which talking to my mom about all this apparently is breaking his trust, because my mom is apparently as controlling and manipulative as I apparently am).

 

Now we get to the horrible part. The following night he is super apologetic, has finally gone back to the therapist, and promises to be sober because he realizes it's the only way to be with me. Then he admits that, at least the previous night with the storm shelter thing, but only a couple of the other times, his drinking actually affects me too. Problem is, I'd made up my mind two nights prior that he needed to go. And my parents and safehouse person agree. But now he is saying that it's just like me to run away now that he is trying to get help and be unsupportive of him and he'd feel no heartbreak if my reasoning was that he's been so awful to me blah blah blah. Truth of the matter is, he is generally pretty nice when sober. But I can't disassociate the drunk version from the sober version anymore. Plus, I don't trust him. He's promised so many times to get help or limit his drinking or be sober or work on himself or be proactive in his life or any number of things. And with the drinking ones, his track record is poor, keeping 0 promises. The other things he gets around to anywhere from 6 weeks to a year to get around to actually doing. But he says I'm a liar and manipulative and controlling and emotionally abusive but he loves me anyway because he knows I just need therapy to get rid of that stuff and oh look at him getting help now

 

And I do feel bad, because he says he is going to be sober and get help. But, I don't know that I can reconcile all the bad. I've been reading, and I guess guilt is normal. But, am I doing the right thing? He's been working hard(ish) to get back in school. He has two decent jobs. He has actually listened (supposedly) to what a therapist has to say for once. And I just can't help but feel like a jerk for wanting him gone and thinking more about how to keep the cat that he thinks is his (it came from a litter from my best friend's mom who offered it to me) because he's the one that wanted a kitten and he needs a buddy; I keep thinking more about that than about how kicking him out affects him.

I'm thinking about how my parents will take over his half of the rent so I can have some money set aside for when I transfer from community college to a 4 year school to complete my second bachelor's.

I keep thinking how much easier the move to a new state would be (because all states are supposedly terrible compared to his home state, especially when he's drunk).

I keep thinking how not attracted to him I am because I keep seeing the drunk version of him. I keep thinking just how totally put off of alcohol (last drink I had I maybe drank 1/16 of it because the concept of drinking just felt gross to me; reading about booze or seeing TV ads for booze annoys me so much; seeing people say to others "all you need is wine and it will be better" seems so illogical and obviously perpetuates stuff like this) I am after having dealt with this crap for 2 years.

I felt totally annoyed a get-together with his family (where they started drinking at two and were still drinking at 11 when we left and I think all had at least 2 beers an hour) and they assumed I wasn't even drinking the girly daiquiris because I was pregnant as this is apparently the only reason anyone wouldn't be drinking in their eyes. And he said it was totally okay and normal for his family to just drink and drink and drink all day long because they weren't hurting anything (except that a 50 year old friend of the family was hitting on me and touching me. NOT OKAY!!!!) and the only thing wrong in the entire situation was that his 18 year old sister was upset about his 15 year old sister finishing her watermelon vodka (but if they had been drinking like a beer or wine or something, no problem, because apparently it's okay for TEENS to get wasted (like his sisters were)).

 

Basically, I feel awful for wanting to abandon him. But I want so much to be free of this BS. Am I making the right call?



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Welcome To answer your original question-- Yes this is normal for an alcoholic , if anything can be considered normal in an alcoholic interaction. Alcoholism is a chronic progressive disease that can be arrested but not cured. We are powerless of this disease and I can readily identify with your experiences. My family drinks as you described at every family function.

Living with and interacting with the disease of alcoholism affects each of us differently. I would like to suggest that you search out alanon face to face meetings, that are held in most communities and attend. It is here I received the support I needed to regain my life and move forward.

Keep coming back here as well--- You are not alone.

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Welcome to MIP - glad you found us and glad that you shared. In my way of thinking, the word 'normal' is over-rated. I don't know that it exists completely - but I do know that living with the disease of alcoholism can affect all of us more than we realize. We adapt to their moods, actions, patterns and more. We become as insane as they in in denying how crazy things truly are.

I found my peace and sanity again in Al-Anon. It saved my sanity, my life and my joy. I suggest you try to find meetings near you and attend a few. It was there I found others who really understood what I was going through, how I felt and shared with me their experiences to help me heal.

Please keep coming back and know that you are not alone.

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Thur, glad you found this resource and al anon in general :) You are not alone, and it sounds like you've got a complicated situation on your hands for sure. I think some face to face meetings might be a good resource for you as well, to connect with others in real life who just get it.

One thing I often do is try to separate the behavior from the addiction (which, isn't always possible). But honestly, disrespectful treatment is disrespectful treatment no matter the level of drinking.

Ultimately some people remain in relationships with addictive people for a variety of reasons, and people also leave their relationships for a variety of reasons. I'd encourage you to detach as much as you can and focus on you, what you want, what you need to take care of etc. I think through this, it gets easier to navigate challenging situations.

Above of all take care of you :)

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Aloha Thurrayya the Khajiit and welcome to the board...you have found a deep resource that lets you know you are not alone and your suffering isn't so strange.  scan back into the prior post and you will find support not that what you are going thru is much different that what we have and also that there is a lot of support in finding and learning positive change to living with and being affected by the disease of alcoholism.   You are not alone and don't ever have to feel that way again.   Keep coming back ((((hugs)))) smile



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I know he is probably characterizing it or hoping that you characterize it as "abandonment."  You could also characterize it as "taking care of yourself."  You don't owe anything to someone who has behaved selfishly and caused you pain for a long time.  You are entirely free to make the decision that is right for you, whatever that decision is.

It is really typical that when alcoholics see that we are finally ready and serious about separating, they suddenly pull out all the stops to get us to stay.  They promise to stop the drinking.  You can almost set your clock by it.  And then we feel guilty: "He's willing to do this for me at last, and here I am ready to walk outthe door!  Aren't I being unfair to him?  And I'm just about to leave before the good part, when we'll be happy at last!"  But here are some things to know about that.  First, achieving sobriety and longterm recovery are a lot harder than just deciding one day to stop.  They require working a formal program of recovery (not just making up his mind to stop), and working it hard, for years.  For many people that means daily meetings, especially at first.  Even so, the majority of people who enter recovery do not stay sober longterm.  The longterm sobriety rate is 15-25%.  That is how powerful alcoholism is.  So the alcoholics who say "I'll just stop, no problem!" are not addressing the seriousness of the situation. 

And many of them decide to stop when it looks like their partner is leaving - but then when their partner stays, the urgency dwindles, and the cravings start up again.  And we, the partners, are six months or ten months down the line and the situation is exactly the same as before, with the drinking, the chaos...

But if they do decide to stick with recovery, the first year or two years are also full of turmoil, mood swings, and difficulty.  It's a hard addiction to stop and they have to learn sober life skills almost from scratch.  It's not the way I imagined: he stops one day, and the next day or the next week, the wonderful life starts.

If you are eager to take advantage of his recovery and sobriety, I submit that there's no hurry.  You can separate from him now, relax in the new peacefulness of your life, and if he's been working his recovery and his program, you can get back together in a year or so, when you know his recovery really has longterm potential.  If you're worried about him finding someone else before then - alcoholcis are counseled not to jump into new relationships in the first year.  If he did jump into one, you can be sure he's not taking recovery seriously.  And if you want to jump back into the relationship of drinking and chaos and all that, that will be there then!

I hope you'll find a good meeting, work the steps, and take care of yourself.

 



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Thank you everyone for your outpouring of warmth and caring! I am so glad I am finally doing this. I have a friend in al anon who has been encouraging me to go for months, but I've been so afraid of what my boyfriend would do as he has told me so many times how groups like Al-Anon and AA are just cults and that people need to recover from them. I sometimes wonder if the religious aspect bothers him or if his father (who has tried all manner of programs, got sober, then fell off the wagon after 14 years sober (his father's drinking made for a terrible Christmas that culminated in all the adult children having an "intervention" in which he let us know how much he really didn't care what we thought about him drinking) has informed some of this thinking. My boyfriend can be very unpredictable in his verbal abuse and what might trigger it. I finally decided to start here and then once I can get away from him and feel safe (I have lately been fearing for my safety), I will start going to a f2f meeting in my area.

While my parents are supportive, they don't have the skills to help me cope as my dad's side is full of teetotalers and my mom's side (except one branch that descended from a potentially alcoholic uncle of my mother's) drinks sparingly much like my parents. If it weren't for my friend, I would have felt totally alone, and have felt alone on many occasions because none of my friends that stuck around after I got past the "I'm 21 and need to go to the bars even if I only have one drink" stage of my life (very short-lived, I don't do well in crowded places with lots of strangers) quite understand. I have a friend who gets sick even sipping the stuff, a friend who thinks it's totally okay to drink a lot as long as the person isn't hurting her mentally or physically (and she's still in the "I'm legal to drink now yay!" phase two years later), and a friend who like me tried the going to parties and bars scene but also found she hated it and like me barely drinks (nor does her fiancé). It is very comforting to come here and see that everyone can relate to a little bit of each others' stories. That I can relate.

I am so grateful that all of you have responded and let me know that my situation is what counts as somewhat standard for this diseases. Thank you for all your kindness.

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We do what we do for ourselves.....that was the hardest thing for me to wrap my head around - putting me first. I didn't tell any of my family where I was going - I just said, "out". They did not drill me or care and had been vague before as well so I just did it. It was scary at first and then I added 'meeting friends for coffee'. As far as family - they mean well as do friends and outsiders. They just don't understand what it's like to be affected by the disease. People giving advice also mean well - but they are not walking a mile in your shoes either.

I've heard the cult monologue in my home, and what I've learned in recovery is I can ignore, respond or react. Reacting appears to be desired as it stirs up drama. The disease loves drama/chaos as it distracts us from reality. I've been able to sit and listen to the opinions of others, and state calmly and simply, "You may be right"....and then still do what I need to do for me.

For me, it's important to accept the disease is more powerful than the spirit of the person. Alcoholics are not bad people making bad choices. They are sick people who think many of their choices are just fine. The disease is selfish and powerful and takes great folks and turns them into mean-spirited strangers. Trying to reason or speak logically with an alcoholic is like trying to tape jello to the wall - it's not going to happen.

We also work hard to focus on today - not the past and not the future. Just today. Take care of you just today and do something special for you today. Wake up tomorrow and do it again!

Keep coming back - you're worth it!

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Practice the PAUSE...Pause before judging.  Pause before assuming.  Pause before accusing.  Pause whenever you are about to react harshly and you will avoid doing and saying things you will later regret.  ~~~~  Lori Deschene

 

 

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