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Martyr ????


I never really understood what a martyr is in alanon can someone help me with this ? And how it's used? ...........hugs Lu



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LU - google is your friend (that's what I always go to if I am in need of application of a word/phrase and my sponsor is sleeping....)! I found this and it might help you...

An Al-Anon approach - keeping the focus on us. The words "martyr" or "victim" appear in each of the Al-Anon devotionals as well as in How Al-Anon Works (Chapter 37 tells a "martyr's" story) and other Al-Anon literature.

Some of us do take on the "martyr" or "victim" roles when affected by another's alcoholism. And roles come with the alcoholism territory. We may or may not be "martyrs" but it is important to ask ourselves the question.

From Courage to Change, page 365 (Dec. 30):
"The unpleasant things other people say or do have no power to destroy my peace of mind or ruin my day unless I permit it. Do I allow myself to respond to the words of a sick person as if they were the ultimate truth? Could I possibly be getting some benefit from accepting humiliation?

Sometimes I wonder. I played the martyr role for a long time. My suffering brought me a lot of attention and pity. I grew accustomed to blaming others for my problems, and I avoided taking responsibility for my own life. In other words, I suspect I may have benefited from my pain. But those benefits are no longer worth the price.

Today I am finding out who I really am with the help of my Higher Power and the Al-Anon program. There is a beautiful person within me who has no need to build an identity around suffering. I am learning to let that person blossom instead of hiding behind a cloak of suffering. I don't want to miss any more of the wonderful opportunities available to me to live, grow, and enjoy.

Today's reminder: There is so much to appreciate in this life. I won't waste another moment feeling sorry for myself.

'. . . The greater part of our happiness or misery depends on our dispositions and not on our circumstances.' Martha Washington"

From One Day at a Time in Al-Anon, page 96 (Apr. 5):
"The Steps are like a medicine which many of us won't bother to take, although we know they can heal us of the sickness of despair, frustration, resentment and self-pity. Why is this? It may be we have a deep-rooted desire for martyrdom. Consciously we think we want to help, but some dark and hidden sense of guilt makes us crave punishment more than we want relief from our ills. ... We can find the way out by daily study of the Twelve Steps."


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Great response IAH I would add that being the martyr, (victim) I do not have to accept responsibility for my feelings or actions -- I can blame others and set myself up as a kind loving person .

Truth is that I have a part in every situation and it is my responsibility, as an adult, to search out my part and correct my actions and attitudes-- if I do not do this, I am a volunteer for the mistreatment.

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I once read a definition that said a martyr is someone who suffers because of their beliefs.  For a large part of my life, my belief was that everyone else's needs and wants were more important than my own.  I like to think of myself as a kind person who is considerate and helps others, and I also thought it was my role as a wife to put my husband's needs above my own.  I was actually proud of thinking of myself as a "martyr" when I put others  so far above myself that I suffered because of it.  After all, martyrs are venerated in some religions (and I later realized that is because they wound up dead after great suffering). 

Trying to put a positive spin on my self-imposed suffering was a great example of twisted thinking.   Only recently, after all I've been through with an alcoholic spouse and with an earlier spouse with other mental health issues,  and learning from the Alanon principles, have I discovered that kindness to others needs to be balanced with kindness to myself.  



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Oh my ,thanks for this great esh, and yes iah I will def. google it for Google is my freind to, and Betty I have been a volunteer for sure,and free time my thinking has been twisted at this being a martyer I just never knew that there was a much more deeper meaning to it,I'm still not completely understanding of it,but I'm thinking I'm still in deniel at lots of things that I've been doing not realizing that I'm actually being that way,I'm always been called the nice woman,a good woman,always kind and putting others needs and wants above my own ,I also attract the needy and insecure ppl,why is that? I dunno was just told that from my a/sis the other day that I tend to always attract the needy ,I'm sure this all goes hand in hand with being a martyer,and being raised in a alcoholic home and today all 5 siblings are addicts and alcoholics ,me being the only one that's not.it gets very confusing in my life,ty any esh welcome.....hugs Lu

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Hi L U I found that by focusing on other people's problems I did not have to look at my own and then unconsciously I expected that because i was nice and caring of others that they, in turn would turn around and be nice and take of me.
That did not work because the people I took care of did not have the capacity to care for themselves so how could they take are of me ? So NO ONE was taking care of me and as a result I felt lonely, angry, disrespected etc.

Alanon taught me that I needed to take care of myself before i took care of others. Treating everyone with courtesy and respect while i allowed them to handle their own problems worked.
Remember not to get too lonely , angry ,tired,hungry and keep coming back



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Thanks Betty ,and that's exactly what m gonna do is treat others with respect and courtesy and staying out of their problems is best for me,it only takes the focus off of me myself when I find myself trying to help another with their problems,I can't ,but I guess it's ok to give esh if possible ? Right? I listen to their problems of whatever it may be and then I tend to give my opinion of whatever it is,prolly not good for me to be doing ,what is or would be the right way to go about it? And as far as courtesy and respect??? How would I go about them 2 tools? I know I ask a lot of ?s but it's the on
Y way I can learn and working with my sponsor is a huge tool in itself and my step work...thanks Betty again .....hugs Lu

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You can give courtesy and respect by simply listening to the person speak (as we do at meetings and here). validate that it is a serious concern like:" i am sorry you are experiencing this" and then share your ESH on the subject if you have none simply suggest they pray on the subject .

In no way should we take on the solving of the problem as that would tend to disrespect the person to whom we are talking . Each one has guidance for their lives within-- That is where they should go through prayer .



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Ty Betty for that valuable info,and esh,much needed here,and I do share esh if any,but I have had the tendency to want to help the other person and trying to solve their problem but it never works that way,that's one of my downfalls though if their needy I want to help in anyway possible ,so from now on I'm not gonna get into problem solving but turn them in a better direction,we all have problems and nobody solves mine or will I allow them to.....thanks that's a huge help for me,...hugs Lu

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