Al-Anon Family Group

The material presented here is not Al-Anon Conference Approved Literature. It is a method to exchange information, ideas, feelings, problems and solutions on a personal level.

Members Login
Username 
 
Password 
    Remember Me  
Post Info TOPIC: symptoms


Veteran Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 38
Date:
symptoms


Im new here, this is my second topic. I have so many questions and puzzles in my mind i want answered and solved. I am a person who needs an answer or reason for impacts in my life. I realize its not always possible. My boyfriend and i had a bad fight last night. It wasnt as bad as usual, because i gave in much sooner than i usually do. Im learning the hard way i can not win this battle. I notice much of the same behaviour. Quick to forget something from five minutes ago, one minute ready to forgive the next ripping my head off....constantly bringing up the past, telling md i wish him dead, etc etc etc.. His behaviour and actions are causing me real physical and mental pain....is this typical of an alcoholic



__________________
Lisa


~*Service Worker*~

Status: Offline
Posts: 1661
Date:

Lisa, it is very typical. It is called gaslighting.
Gaslighting is to manipulate (someone) by psychological
means into questioning their own sanity.
It is best to understand that alcoholics thrive on this
type of manipulation and when you fight with them
it gives them all the more reason to blame you and
keep drinking. Once I realized this and understood the
disease, I was better able to avoid/diffuse this tacit and
actually empathize with the disease. You are, by the way,
fighting with the disease and not a rational human being.



__________________

 "Forgiveness doesn't excuse bad behavior, but it

does prevent bad behavior from destroying your heart". ~ unknown

Debbie



Veteran Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 38
Date:

I really am wondering if any of this is my fault. Not so much the big pucture, moreso the day to day arguments and drunkeness. Would things be different had we never met. He calls me depressed and pathetic. He accuses me of cheating which i have never done, yet ive been harassed by the mother of his child telling me he has been sleeping with her in the past which he adamently denies. I really believe if i was still the woman he met maybe he would still be the man i met. Deep down inside, i know he is an absolute mess.



__________________
Lisa


~*Service Worker*~

Status: Offline
Posts: 1661
Date:

Lisa, the best thing you can do right now, for yourself is to start the
meetings and the steps, which will keep the focus only on you!!
We learn in Al-anon to not focus on the past or the future, just
you right now getting help for yourself.



-- Edited by Debb on Friday 13th of November 2015 06:14:44 PM

__________________

 "Forgiveness doesn't excuse bad behavior, but it

does prevent bad behavior from destroying your heart". ~ unknown

Debbie



~*Service Worker*~

Status: Offline
Posts: 3613
Date:

In Al-Anon we have the Three C's, which I believe someone might have mentioned: You didn't Cause it, you can't Cure it, you can't Control it.  "It" being the alcoholism.  No one can make a person drink but themselves.  If we could make them drink, we could make them stop, right?  And yet if there were a way to make them stop, one of the millions, maybe billions of people affected by alcoholism would have found it by now.  The truth is that no one can make them stop except themselves, and no one can make them start except themselves.  We are simply not that powerful.

But alcoholics have to twist their thinking into a certain type of insanity in order to keep on drinking.  Part of that insanity is blaming their drinking on someone else.  That means they can get off easy!  They didn't choose it!  Someone else is at fault!  They are just a victim!  Yeah, that would be nice, maybe, if they didn't have to take responsibility.  They will insist all day long and all night long that they wouldn't drink if it weren't for X, Y and Z making them drink.  My A insisted it was my not wanting him to drink that made him drink.  ("I can't take the pressure!  I can tell you don't like it even when you don't say anything!")  But in truth they always have dozens of choices.  If they're sad in their relationship, they could get counseling, they could join a support group, they could talk to a pastor, they could read books about it, they could try different things, they could decide to accept it, and they can always leave.  It's never that "drinking" is their only choice and someone held a gun to their head every day and night making them take every sip.  And many people are sad in their relationships.  That's true.  Why aren't they all alcoholics?  Because there are other choices when you're sad. 

Your A's wild mood swings and hostility are absolutely typical of an alcoholic.  The standard profile.

I wanted to mention something else you said.  You said "i gave in much sooner than i usually do."  I know it's infuriating when they accuse us of crazy things and try to throw the blame on us.  But we're dealing with insanity here.  Some people picture the word INSANE written on the A's forehead.  And two Al-Anon sayings have been helpful to me.  One is "You don't have to show up to every argument you're invited to."  They love turmoil, and when we refuse to get involved in the turmoil, we're actually the ones with the upper hand.  The second saying is "Recovery isn't winning.  It's not playing."  I used to fantasize that I would find the exact right thing to say and my A would finally understand and agree.  Then I realized he kept me sucked in by refusing to agree.  I gave up trying to "win" - I just refused to play.  It's hard because the craving to "win" is so strong.  But not playing took me out of the horrible cycle entirely.  What freedom!  I let him claim what he wanted.  The insane thoughts of an insane person are just insane.  No use trying to convince a delusional person that little green men aren't coming to get him; no use trying to convince an alcoholic of anything.



__________________


~*Service Worker*~

Status: Offline
Posts: 13696
Date:

 

Lisa you play a part...we all do...we are playing a part now however in the program of Al-Anon recovery we learn to think about choices and consequences so that future consequences work in our favor.   Keep coming back....(((hugs)))smile



__________________


Veteran Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 38
Date:

Mattie, wow......your words really have meaning. Thank you ALL, for the suppirt in thebeginning of my journey....i needcalot of help , feel like ive been in a car wreck and need crutches to walk

__________________
Lisa


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 472
Date:

im a real fan of J.A.D.E...it is
dont justify
dont argue
dont defend
dont engage...... if u use these tips u can cut the arguement that makes us alanonners more sick than the alcoholic
ive used it many times

__________________
ALYCE R KINIKIN
Page 1 of 1  sorted by
 
Quick Reply

Please log in to post quick replies.