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new here need help


I have been with my bf for five yrs. We have a three yo, and my two kids live with us. He is an alcoholic. He drinks everyday. He has been verbally abusive and as i type this he is txting me about how horrible i am. I want to leave him but i have no where to go with three kids and no job. He has made me completely dependant upon him. I am justvat a loss. He has told me he will nvr quit drinking. I used to be happy and outgoing, now i am depressed and sad.

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Lisa, I do understand about feeling hopeless and at a loss. 

You deserve to be safe.  Verbal abuse is abuse.  Can you contact a domestic violence hotline, just to find out what your options are?  Even if you don't use that information now, it will be good to know.

Next, the Al-Anon program is exactly for what you are experiencing.  It can help you find the serenity to not be at such a loss and to plan calmly what is best for you, day by day.  There are face to face and online meetings.  There you will meet other people who are affected by someone else's drinking, and you will know you are not alone.  You can find out how to get through the difficult times and be happy and outgoing once again.

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Welcome Lisad67 to MIP. I agree with what Freetime has advised. Please find
a local Al-Anon group meeting, the face to face meetings, working the 12-steps,
learning the prayers, slogans and traditions will be of great help to you.
http://al-anon.org/find-a-meeting
We learn in Al-Anon to understand how the disease of alcoholism affects us
and cope and regain our serenity and dignity. Please keep coming back!



-- Edited by Debb on Friday 13th of November 2015 05:10:18 AM

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Welcome Lisa You are not alone Please follow the above suggestions and I assure you you will be happy and outgoing once agsin.

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Hi Lisa.
It's hard with kids and no job, that's for sure but it isn't impossible. I remember having no "me" left and just being depressed. Slowly but surely my "me" is coming back.
One lady described to me how she felt when she visited a domestic violence refuge as part of her work; she said that the women "seemed as if they'd had the very souls sucked out of them by their abusers" and that painted a powerful image in my head....whether I love my partner or not he was literally sucking the life out of me. A-anon gave me the tools to stop that from happening and sure enough I get better and better.

Al-anon meetings are a good start. If that's impossible with 3 kids there are online meetings here at MIP

Anyway I hope you find the support you need to start living the life you deserve

(((Lisa)))

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There are so many things that have happened during our time together. When i think about what ive become it scares me ..i put in a happy face for my kids. Im so trapped nd scared. I met him at a vunerable time in my life and it just snowballed from there. I have no family to lean on, im not the strong confident woman i once was. Im scared and frail. How can he do this to me when he saysche lives me and cant live without me. I have spoken to dom viol, and they really only have support to offer. Ive gone to other resources to ask for help and there is nothing available except long wait lists. Just so upset and sad today...i just want happiness back in my life

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I understand; i was in a very similar situation. Small steps one after the other was all i could do but they did eventually become a journey out of the misery....I promise it's possible. I wasn't able to get any help from any services either other than some counselling but it did help.

I believe my first step was deciding that i was going to look after myself at least as well as i was looking after my partner and children. Everything else kind of built on that if that makes sense.



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But how do i stop him from getting to that drunk level 10? I cant even get away from him because we have a toddler who he doesnt watch if i have anything to do, not to mention i wouldnt leave the baby with him when he is drinking. He pucked a fight with me last night abd when i went to the couch to sleep he starts txt harsssing me. He calls me horrific names, and thats supposed to be ok. I used to be soft and sweet...now i hardened and old and gross. I hate this

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You can't stop him getting drunk or manage his drinking for him. That's sort of the cardinal rule of al-anon; you didn't cause it, you can't control it and you can't cure it.
Its kind of about accepting that he is going to do what he chooses to do, no matter what; when you accept that then you are left with 'well what can I do to make things better for ME?"
As I said it seemed impossible to me at first too, i thought i was trapped but over time as i treated myself better i started to believe I deserved better and things started to fall into place. It's hard, yes, but possible and worth it. I had to move into a small cheap place and make a lot of cutbacks but it has been very worth it not to have nights like you describe, sleeping on the couch (or in the car) to escape drunken abuse etc.

Someone mentioned the book "Getting Them Sober" here just before and that's a really great resource. It isn't, as the title suggests, about actually getting anyone sober; it's about us and seeing ourselves within these relationships clearly. It was a game changer for me; highly recommend it.

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Hi Lisa ... Welcome to MIP!  I think you will find here, and in AlAnon, a program that can help restore you to sanity, serenity and happiness if you work the program honestly, and diligently.  I think you will find that within the AlAnon fellowship many people who found themselves in the place you find yourself today and through working their own recovery in AlAnon were able to find those things weather the alcoholic is still drinking or not.

When I first showed up in the rooms of AlAnon, I thought the program would teach me how to keep my Alcoholic (in my case my wife) from drinking.  When I discovered that it was a program about my own personal recovery, I left, under the faulty assumption that all of my problems were the result of my wife's drinking ... and that if she just quit drinking, they would go away.  When I learned AlAnon would not teach me how to do that, I left discouraged, and returned to living a life of anger, resentment, fear, martyrdom and hopelessness.  Eventually, the disease got worse, and through the insistence of my Pastor, himself a recovering alcoholic active in AA, I tried again ... this time willing to listen to those who would advise me that what I needed was my own recovery.  That was just over a year ago, and I think my Higher Power (whom I choose to call God), that I did.

When I went back, with an open mind and open heart I learned some very important things in the first few weeks of attending.

  1. I didn't cause the disease, I couldn't cure the disease, and I couldn't control the disease.  As I contemplated this, I realized I had been spending years thinking just the opposite, and my behavior got increasingly crazier, the more my efforts to cure and control it failed, and the more I blamed myself for the disease getting worse.  Once I came to accept 'The 3 C's' as true, it was a huge burden lifted from my shoulders.  I no longer had the burden I had placed on myself to try and cure her, and was able to redirect that energy toward helping the only one I was capable of helping ... myself.
  2. I learned that I did not have to attend every fight I was invited to.  I learned that I could politely decline to engage ... when my Alcoholic would criticize me, or blame me, I could say simply, and honestly 'you may be right' ... and no more.  I could politely say 'I understand you are upset right now, but I would prefer to have this discussion when you are sober' and walk away.  I learned that I could say what I mean, mean what I say, and not say it mean.  It is my experience that the alcoholic often needs conflict with loved ones to justify in their minds, their drinking.  I didn't have to enable that by being manipulated into arguments and fights simply to give my wife the excuse she needed to drink more.  My wife also used texting as a way to bait me.  I learned I could block her number when she was drinking, or simply turn my phone off.  I found that when I was able to do this, my wife stopped engaging me in this way, because I was not providing to her what the disease told her she needed.  An excuse to drink.  Until she found recovery, she found the excuses she needed, but she didn't get them from me, and I had more serenity in my life when she did.
  3. I learned that Alcoholism is a disease, not a character flaw.  The alcoholic doesn't choose to be one ... they have a disease they have not yet figured out how to manage.  I learned that only they can do that.  Until they decide to take the steps necessary to find recovery, they won't, and there is nothing anyone else can do to change that.  I also learned that it is a family disease.  It affects everyone close to the alcoholic.  I was told it was much like a pebble dropped in a pond.  Those most affected by the disease, are the ones closest to where the pebble hits the water, with the alcoholic in the middle.  The closer you are to where it drops in, the more you are affected.  As one also afflicted with the disease, I learned that I too was sick and needed my own recovery.  The AlAnon program became my medicine.  Recognizing we were both sick, allowed me to empathetic and compassionate with her, and myself.
  4. I learned that it is just as pointless to blame an alcoholic for their behaviors as it is to get upset with a pigeon if it poops on you when you sit under one roosting in a tree.  Its what pigeons do.  Alcoholics are no different.  They are going to do what Alcoholics do.  My responsibility was to check the tree for pigeons before I sat down under a tree with one in it.  When I realized this, i was able to begin my journey of detaching from my alcoholics behaviors with love and empathy.
  5. I learned that the AlAnon program, taken almost word for word from the 12 step program of AA, is a simple program ... but not an easy one.  One must really want what the program offers, and be willing to work for it.  My second time in, I did this ... what else did I have to lose?  1 Year later, through attending multiple face to face meetings a week, finding a sponsor, taking on service commitments, daily reading of AlAnon literature, and leveraging the experience strength and hope of others working the program, I have a serenity in my life I have not known for more than a decade ... and am happier now than I have been since I was a teenager.  It has not been easy, but it has saved my life ... one that now has hope, purpose, ease, and increasing grace.  I am, perhaps for the first time in my life, physically, emotionally and spiritually healthy.  I take it one day at a time, with gratitude for what I have, and with decreasing resentment about what I don't ... and with decreasing fear about what the future holds for me and my family.  I re-established my relationship with my God, and found in that, someone I could turn over to the things I could control myself, and have faith that he would take care of them and me.
  6. I learned that I can take from the program what I like ... and leave the rest.  That there are no 'Musts' in AlAnon.  

Here was the advice I got at my very first meeting:

  • Try to attend at least 6 Face to Face meetings before making a decision about weather AlAnon is right for me.
  • Try to attend different meetings, as each one has it own's individual characteristics.  Some may fit you better than others.  Give yourself a chance to find a meeting (or four, as was the case with me) you find most comfortable
  • Get a sponsor ... someone who has worked the program before you ... that can help guide you and mentor you.  Look for someone who seems to have what you want ... or a is working a program that seems to be strong and consistent ... whatever it is that you see in them to think they can provide you the guidance you need.

I will be praying for you, your husband, and your children.  I hope you find Face to Face meetings in your area that work for you, and that you keep coming back to them, and us here at MIP.  As we like to say at the end of the meetings I attend ... 'It works if you work it!'

 



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Welcome to MIP Lisa - so glad you found us and so glad you're here.

The disease of alcoholism is progressive, powerful and considered a family disease. It affects those who live with and/or love an alcoholic as much as it affects the A, and we become as insane as they are. Our actions, reactions, thoughts, self-worth, self-esteem - it's all damaged by this disease...

Choose you. Work on you. Join Al-Anon and find fellowship and support from those of us who've lived with what you are and felt what you do. Local meetings will give you a welcome like you never felt and will help you be a part 'of' instead of a part 'from'. If you can't get to local meetings, there are 2 per day here - see the top left for the times and a link to the meeting room.

My ESH - Experience, Strength & Hope - my husband is an A and so are both of my sons. When I arrived, I was beat up, struck down and ready to either run away, crawl into a hole or worse. I was so used to the chaos, drama and verbal/emotional abuse, that it had become my norm. I felt less than and didn't know who to talk to, where to go - tons of shame and guilt.

I learned that my responsibility is my actions, attitudes, reactions and myself. I can't control others, and I can't fix them or make them different than they are. I have worked on me and slowly, things have gotten better than they were. What has changed is me - how I live, how I love and how I act/react.

I turn my phone off and/or block my three A(s) if I feel the need. I can choose to read emails, read texts, listen to voicemails or NOT. These are just a couple of boundaries that this program has taught me to create for self-protection. Because of this program, I have a new life, a new way and peace in my mind and heart.

Keep coming back - (((hugs))) to you and prayers for your family.

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Aloha Lisa and welcome to the board.  You have already received some powerful, honest experience from others who have been victims also of the disease of alcoholism.  Read and listen with an open mind because you also can arrive at the solutions most of us have.  We all started where you are at now and have and the same thoughts, feelings and actions you mention and we are not there now as we use to be and as often as we use to be.  The Al-Anon Family Groups is the major deterrent to living in the insanity of this fatal in curable disease.  Yes alcoholism has no cure and can only be arrested by total abstinence.  First things first is get as much information as you can about the disease you are living with part of which is participating here at MIP and attending open Al-Anon face to face meetings in your area as you can; maybe they have meetings with child care which will allow you to attend the whole meeting uninterrupted.   That will help.  Getting Al-Anon Literature which you can read when you are not being disturbed also helps and we have tons of it.  If you don't have the money to buy new books check with Amazon.com for used less expensive copies.  The literature is a huge part of my recovery and has been since 1979 when I arrived to be helped and then stayed to give that back.   Keep coming back often cause this works when you work it.   (((((hugs))))) smile 



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Last nights argument was certainly not the worst we have had. But the words cut deep. I am so mentally wiped out from this same pattern, and i can no longer take the constant blame. He constantly tells me that i provoke him qnd nring out the worst and its all my fault he drinks and comes home drunk on a daily basis. I cant accept this responsibility. Why is he blaming me when he hasnt been sober for 25 years. I just want to take my kids and leave, but theres no way out



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Lisa, I hope you will believe me when I say that there is a way out - it's just not immediate.  Often we are so beaten down by the years of trying and trying and making no headway that we become discouraged about everything.  But one Al-Anon saying is "Nothing changes when nothing changes."  That means also that when something does change, change happens.  You have made the first change by reaching out for support and help.  When you find a meeting, there will be more positive changes.  (Some meetings have childcare - call the Al-Anon number in your phone book to find out which ones if you need childcare.  There are also online meetings at this site.)  Little by little things will seem better and happier and clearer.  You don't have to believe before it happens.  Just take it small step by small step.  I imagine everyone here knows exactly what that feeling of hopelessness is like.  But there is hope.  Things can get better even tomorrow, even this week.  Start your program, read on the site, find a meeting.  Hugs.



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Thank you, i just feel like i am one of the ones who will never get help. I feel like trash like i dont deserve to get out. How am i going to get out....i do plan on looking into a meeting. I am so torn apart. Lisa is gone...where did she go.i was a professional in mutual funds i was an avid equestrian i was well liked, had friends, had it all...now im gone.m.



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Lisa is not gone, although it feels that way right now. Once you take that first step
and join a local f2f Al-Anon meeting ... http://al-anon.org/find-a-meeting
and start working the 12-steps, you can actually start doing the steps here on
this website, you will be totally blown away.  Please keep coming back.



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lisad67 wrote:

Last nights argument was certainly not the worst we have had. But the words cut deep. I am so mentally wiped out from this same pattern, and i can no longer take the constant blame. He constantly tells me that i provoke him qnd nring out the worst and its all my fault he drinks and comes home drunk on a daily basis. I cant accept this responsibility. Why is he blaming me when he hasnt been sober for 25 years. I just want to take my kids and leave, but theres no way out


My heart really goes out to you Lisa ... I, like most, or all of us, came to AlAnon with the same frustration, fear, loneliness, exasperation, and hopelessness.  I wish I or someone here could waive a magic wand and make it better ... but the reality is, we can't.  The only one who can bring about change for you, is you.  As others have mentioned, you took the first courageous step in that process, by coming to this site and reaching out for help.  I know for me, that first step was by far the most difficult.  The question now is weather you will continue the journey, or allow your own illness to convince you that the change, serenity, and recovery you desire is not available for you.  Only you can answer that question.

A few thoughts on your post ... take what you like from them, and leave the rest.

First off, now is an incredibly important time to be gentle with yourself.  Take extra good care of yourself.  You deserve it.  And like many say, it is impossible for any of us to take care of anyone else if we aren't taking care of ourselves.  I remember an anology I heard or read early on ... it encouraged those in AlAnon to remember the instructions of Airline Crews before a flight takes off ... 'In the event of the loss of cabin pressure, secure your won oxygen mask first before attempting to help anyone else with thiers.'  The point being, you will not be able to help anyone very much if you run out of air yourself before you can finish the job.   

In a lot of ways, I came to AlAnon expecting people to help me make tough decisions.  The biggest being 'Should I leave my wife?'  No one in AlAnon ever told me weather I should stay married or not ... although I certainly wanted someone to give me that answer.  Instead, I was strongly encouraged not to make any major decisions about my marriage until I had at least 6 Months of recovery.  I'm glad I did.  I came to AlAnon convinced my marriage was over and just trying to figure out logistically how to end it, with minimal impact to our then 9 year old daughter.  I skeptically took the advice.  1 Year later we are still married.  We are making progress on rebuilding what we both spent years destroying while the disease ran untreated in our home.  I don't know if ultimately we will make it or not ... but I don't worry about it that.  We are married today.  If a day comes that it must end, I will cross that bridge that day.  I can say with certainty that if I ever make that decision, I will be in a much better place emotionally and spiritually to make then I was when I came to AlAnon in crisis.  

An important caveat though ... If you feel as though you, or your daughter are in danger, than you do have a responsibility to yourself or your daughter to ensure the physical safety of both of you.  That obviously takes priority. 

You say 'I can no longer take the constant blame' ... AlAnon would suggest that you SHOULDN'T. Just as it suggest you not accept the responsibility for him drinking or getting drunk.  When you take that responsibility, you rob him of his humanity to make his own choices, and accept the consequences for them.  It is his responsibility and he can't experience the natural consequences of his decisions if you take that responsibility for him.  AllAnon teaches us to take care of our side of the street, and insist the alcoholic take responsibility for their side.  You have a choice in everything you do.  You do not have to take responsibility for anything he does, no matter how many times he may tell you that you have to.  

You ask "Why is he blaming me?' ... The best answer I know for this is 'Because that's what Alcoholics do'.   Why do Pigeons poop without concern for what is beneath them?  It's because it's what pigeons do.  They don't do it because they are targeting what is below them.  It's not personal.  I know his rants and blaming sound and especially FEEL personal.  What I found extremely liberating early in my recovery was to understand that I shouldn't take anything the alcoholic does personally.  It is a mental disease.  Everything they do is driven by the diseased brain, and its need to get more alcohol.  In the case of my wife, she explained to me that she was constantly guilt ridden about her drinking.  She felt like a complete loser that she couldn't stop what she knew was ruining her marriage, her relationships with her kids, her health and her sense of self.  Her brain would look for any reason to rationalize the next drink, which allowed her to escape her own feelings of worthlessness, despair and hopelessness.  When she was drunk, she didn't feel those things.  She rationalized every drink she took ... bad day at work ... argument with one of the kids, or her ex ... argument with me ... it was snowing ... it was raining ... it was too hot ... too cold.  When I was truly able to grasp this, and that those were symptoms of the untreated disease I finally started to understand that the disease led her to do and say the things she did, even they she didn't want or or mean to ...  she was driven by the disease to do them.   It was then I  was able for the first time to look at my wife with empathy and compassion. I realized all the horrible fights and insults and hurtful behavior wasn't personal, anymore than an Alzheimer's patient forgetting the names and faces of spouses or children is personal.  It's just what the disease does.  It was my first step towards detaching.  I could differentiate between the actions of my wife, versus the actions of the disease.  I was not able to recognize that until I truly understood and accepted alcoholism as a disease, and not a character flaw.

It was also helpful for me to stop blaming her for all of my troubles as well.  All of my own craziness were my symptoms of the family disease and was just as untreated as hers.  My life revolved around the disease ... trying to control it ... cure it ... and ultimately ... trying to hide from it.  I did it for years.  I kept doing the same things and expecting to get the same results.  It wasn't really my fault ... I didn't know any better.  I, just like you now, are doing the best I could with what I knew.  They were survival instincts.  At my first meeting a veteran AlAnon'er pointed this out to me ... and then asked 'How is that working for you?'  Clearly, it wasn't working well at all.  His response was a seminal moment in my decision to keep coming back.  He said 'Well ... it looks like your best thinking got you here ... maybe its time to try a different approach'.  When I started on focusing on me and my recovery ... and leaving the alcoholic to handle that which the alcoholic is responsible for ... I started getting some control back in my life.  It was a slow process, filled with many difficult days ... and they still come, believe me.  But I have tools for them now that help get through them.  On top of those tools I have whole library of AlAnon literature ... and a sponsor ... and a higher power ... and all the people in my meetings ... and everyone who contributes here ... to get new tools, or to help me sharpen the ones I have.

Lisa is not gone.  You are here ... its an amazing first step you took that holds unbelievable possibility for healing for you, just as it has for the countless others who took that first brave step and decided that they were worth putting in the effort it took to make this program work for them.  It is has been a life saving program for multitudes.  I will pray that it will be for you too.

 



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Lisa you are far from alone. Just getting to the
Meetings and starting your recovery journey
Will be a good first step to helping lisa findIng
Lisa again:)

None of this will be easy or quick it takes time
And effort To grow and change. It can be a painful
journey In Many ways.

Alanon is about healing and loving ourselves with
Our own HP holding our hand. Most of us grew up
with dysfunction and /or alcoholism then we marry
Into it so basically we are recovering from a lifetime
Of these same issues.

((((( hugs ))))

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I just want to add that, in addition to all the wonderful Al-Anon support, it is also OK to seek professional therapy.  This way you get the support of a group who understands, and also one-on-one focus just on  you and your child. You could seek out low-cost therapy from a counseling school, and find out if it is OK to bring your child with you.

Depending on your situation, you might also find that family/friends are able to help, even though you hesitate to ask them or don't want them to know the truth of what is happening.  In my own situation, I have grown-up children, and I did not want to burden them with my problems.  But I came to find out that they actually felt better when they were able to help, and they did in amazing ways.

As others have said, too, it's not a matter of whether he loves you or not.  He might actually love you in his way, but the disease is warping his thoughts and behavior, and he cannot change his disease on his own.  Just take whatever small step you can manage to move towards safety, serenity, and self-confidence.



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