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Say something? Let it be? Ugh!


My mum is only 58.

But her memory has been bad for a long time and maybe a year ago I finally figured out she wasn't asking me the same questions over and over because she was trying to wind me up, she honestly didn't remember having asked me a few minutes ago.

Well it's getting so much worse. This isn't alcohol related by the way; my mum gets sloshed in the evenings it's true but it only takes her a few glasses of wine to get there and she never, ever drinks during the day which is when a lot of these conversations are taking place. This is something else and it's very worrying.

Twice in the last week I have had a conversation with her for over an hour about 2 different topics and twice, she has asked me about the topic a few days later with NO recollection of the discussion we had. When I insist we already talked about it she makes a big show of going through her phone records to see "if she called me" and other strange irrelevant stuff. I sense that she must feel frightened as it's becomming quite severe.

Just 3 days ago we spoke on the phone for over an hour about Christmas arrangements; she wanted to know what  had planned and we had a really good conversation where she kept advising me to "make sure you do what you want to do to make it a good day for you and daughter" etc. 

Tonight she called and asked me what I have planed for Christmas and she just flat out did not remember ever having talked to me at all and got busy sending me her phone records etc.

Anyway something is clearly wrong. Her health has been in decline for a couple of years now which is upsetting for her as she has always been a fighting fit super-woman so this must be awful for her. I imagine she will keep pretending nothing is wrong or "you must have dreamed the conversation Melissa, because I don't remember it".

So tonight I ended up saying 'Oh well, I must have called a wrong number and talked to a stranger about Christmas" and she was relieved and laughed and agreed, that must have been it.

The thing is, if something is going wrong in her head, there might be something that can help her. And she does pay attention to me when i discuss health and often asks me for advice.

Would you guys say something to her (mention the elephant in the room) or just let her be?

 



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MissM, it would seem that speaking to her about her memory or lack of it is not what
she can or is willing to hear or understand. Is there someone else in her house or
close to her, you know who sees her everyday, that you can talk to? Maybe her
physician?



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I haven't broached it with her in any serious way, but I think she'd probably take it better from me than from anyone else if I did.
I just don't know if it's my business to say anything or not. I know she is aware; she's not at all low on intelligence or insight but my concern is she might feel too scared of the potential ramifications to seriously acknowledge it and if she just ignores it she might miss a potential window for some kind of intervention...I just don't know.
I'm seeing her on the weekend, perhaps I'll think of a good way to say it by then...or not say it....ugh!!!!


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Hi Mel,

I like the way you used humor concerning calling the wrong phone number. Your mom responded well to that.  If you feel you'd like to keep the lines of communication open concerning her memory, maybe being gentle as you have been is best.  Newcomers to Alanon who are affected by someone else's drinking can feel very vulnerable. The power of the disease over us frightens us until we find the willingness to try the steps and tools that can help us.  This is a program for life and it can be an aid in many situations.  Loss of physical or emotional stability, fear of the unknown, lack of trust in self, stress - all of these can be attributed to living with alcoholism but also happen when another underlying disease or life stresser is present.  After my dad passed away, despite knowing it was coming; my mom was in a state of panic for months. I doubt she could have remembered in one hour what had taken place in the one prior.  I was fortunate that she was open to hearing Alanon readings. I shared my own vulnerabilities with her and didn't solicit many questions. With time, she began to open up woman to woman with me rather than in the roles of parent and child.  She was frightened Melissa and she was the parent, the protector of her children, the nurturer so the opening up needed to happen on her terms. It was my experience that the Alanon program was the little nudge that helped that to happen. I wasn't advising, parenting her just sharing wisdom of others and how that wisdom resonated for me personally in my life.  I think it brought trust from my mom that it was acceptable to step out of the role of mother and just be another woman with me.  Anyway... this is just my experience.  I hope you are able to keep the lines of communication open with your mom. Please keep us posted as to how she is doing and how you are feeling. Thank you for sharing.  (((hugs))))  TT



-- Edited by tiredtonite on Wednesday 11th of November 2015 12:04:29 PM

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Thanks TT, you're right. Perhaps I'll just make more time to talk to her and she can bring it up if she wants to. It hadn't occurred to me that it could be stress or worry but it is possible that ismaking it worse at the moment. She lost her best friend this time last year too so maybe grief is playing a part. I hadn't thought of that.
Gently gently is good.




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Agreed with the gentle. My dad is in hospital right now. He told the doctors that he had a prickly skin sensation so bad sunday night he wanted to end it all. When they said they had never heard of that, I kept pushing hims to ask them more questions, but he didn't want to. And then he dug in and yelled at me to drop the whole matter. So I ended up changing the subject back to his blood pressure, and am figuring out other ways of trying to make it not happen again while letting him retain his self-respect, or his sense of stubbornness, or whatever it is that is making him yell at me.

If you suspect something is up, I would think that you will want to say something sometime, in whatever manner you think best. If she ends up rebuffing you, then so be it, it's her life, but if you don't say anything, you could live with regret over it. Plus, on things like this, where they can't really see it themselves, I think it is up to us to say something. Kind of when she has a mosquito sitting on the back of her head ready to draw blood. Will you ignore it, or swat it off her head and take the yelp and explanation that have to go with it afterward?

Kenny

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You say your mom gets sloshed every nite, have you considered the fact that she may becoming a blackout drinker, an AA girlfriend of mine often talks about her experience with this ..just a thought.

 



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MissMel - you have a good head on your shoulders and work a good program. This is one of those times where I would definitely write about it, talk about it and pray about it.

I am facing similar issues with my parents - they are quite a bit older though. I believe they are aware that they are slipping, and aren't quite sure what to do. Anytime I've brought it up, I've been very gentle - with repeating as well as the conversations. My mother does drink too much most evenings, so I do try to have day-time conversations. I also often send a follow-up email to them if it's something that they really need to know/remember. I just suggest I am sending it for myself as much as them.

I am sure she's as concerned as you are. Trust your HP and the answers will come. (((Hugs))) - it's a hard reality that is certainly not easy to address...

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Thank you everyone, for your caring responses.
It helps so much just to talk about it!
I had a brainwave. I can book extremely cheap appointments at my college to have a massage so I might invite her to meet me for a massage one day next week and maybe bring it up over lunch. Then we can forget all about it afterwards with retail therapy. She'll like that

But you know what will happen then....she will agree to see her doctor and then a week later I'll ask her "so mum, did you see Doctor M about your memory loss?" and she'll say "What are you talking about? We've never discussed that. My memory is fine! You must have dreamed it, Melissa!"

 lol





-- Edited by missmeliss on Wednesday 11th of November 2015 07:58:22 PM

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Ms.M you are a n intelligent woman and do not jump to conclusions easily. If you are sensing this I am sure she is too.

My sister is much older and does the same with her children One daughter (who is a nurse) has brought it up to her and they are going for testing. She readily admits that she cannot remember, writes notes to herself and is willing to address the possible next right actions (If her daughter goes with her).
Like IAH suggests , I would pray about it and listen to the small voice within. Positive thoughts on the way

Please never let go of your sense of humor aww



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Also Kenny I hope your dad is OK, and hugs!

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Well MissM, this one resonates with me hugely. I have a fairly close friend who had a mental breakdown and had to be hospitalized for quite a while. She is home now and doing well. Several of her friends, myself included, watched her decline and were concerned for her. Her reasoning and her decisions were becoming very erratic. When we gently suggested that she see her doctor, she would reply that she was fine, just stressed. And then she wasn't.

Talking to her after she came home, she asked me if we had noticed her deterioration. I said that yes we had and we had urged her to go to her doctor but felt it was not our place to do more. She looked at me and said," I wish you had. I wish you had taken my hand and forced me to go. I wish you had not listened to me but insisted I get help and you were going nowhere until I did."

Sometimes it appears, people who are struggling as your mother is, just need someone else to take charge and move them along. I feel such guilt for not doing that for her. You are correct that she will either forget to go to the doctor, put it off or, to be honest, lie like a trooper if she does go. Several of my friends are living with partners who are in the early stages of dementia. They insist that they accompany their spouses on doctor's visits because in the early stages, people can be very cagey and pull themselves together for the visit time. But there are meds out there now that slow down the process of the disease and the sooner one gets them the more effective they are.



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It sounds to me as if there are two major possibilities.  Of course I am not a doctor so don't take this for the absolute truth.  Just thinking out loud.

One is that your mother is showing signs of dementia.  It could be early-onset dementia or it could be something more easily treated.  Even getting dehydrated made my mother act weird.  In either case, a workup by a doctor would be very helpful.

The other possibility is that it is directly related to drinking.  It could be that heavy drinking, even if it's only in the evening, has affected her faculties.  Or it could be that her disease is progressed and that she is no longer drinking only in the evening.  Remember how sneaky and deceptive alcoholics can be.  She could be drinking at a level that keeps her drunk but "functional" in the daytimes, and then she lets go in the evenings.  That would account for the blackout symptoms.  It would also be a cause that she would resist remedying.

The problem is distinguishing one from the other.  I think a professional may be called for.

I know exactly what it's like talking to someone with no memory for recent things.  My own A has blackouts, but also he has a brain condition (congenital and unrelated to his drinking) where you can arrange something one minute and ten minutes later he's completely forgotten about it.  "Don't you remember, I just told you I'd meet you at the store and you agreed?"  "You never told me anything about it!"  "Well, shall we meet at the store?"  "Okay, let's meet at the store...  Oh, by the way, did we set up a place to meet?"  "At the store.  We just discussed this."  "Meeting at the store, okay.  You could have just told me! ... And where should we meet?  At the store?"  Sometimes I thought I was going insane.  Anyway, just to say that it is a weird, weird feeling.  Take care of yourself.



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