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This is my first time checking out Al-Anon or posting on a forum. I've been dating a guy for the last 10 months. We are middle aged and I have not drank in more than 15 years. I'm beginning to think he is a full blown alcoholic, but he's not being honest with me about the extent of his drinking. Lately, he's becoming more and more belligerent and wanting to start arguments when he's drinking. He also gets heavy handed when drinking. He's not physically abusive, but when he grabs my hand or reaches for me or grabs my face to kiss me he gets rough without realizing it. When he's sober, he's great. But I'm noticing that the alcohol is becoming more and more out of control. He used to be in AA, but he says it was just because he was going through custody issues with his kids and that he didn't really have a problem. His daughter told me her dad is not supposed to be drinking at all. He called me crying one night asking me to throw out any liquor or beer he had left at my house because his kids found where he was hiding a bottle at his house. He said he was done drinking. That lasted a few days and it was then I'll just have a few beers but not liquor, liquor makes him more belligerent. Now it's full on. I go to bed at night and he would rather sit up drinking alone. Our romantic life is now suffering as well and we are starting to fight more and more. Even when I try to ignore him he just keeps it up. I know you can't make anyone stop drinking. I've told him it bothers me when he drinks that much and I've pointed out things he's said and done. He's always apologetic in the past, but now he's getting less and less so and tries to say I'm making it up. This started after I confronted him about the drinking. He says he wants to get married, but I'm not ready for that. It's sad because we get along so well until the alcohol starts flowing and that's starting to be just about every day now. I can't talk to his family about it because apparently they don't know he's drinking again. I'd like to be supportive if he's willing to try and get help but not to the point it becomes self destructive for me. The verbal attacks are just hard. He will start an argument then say I started it and that I'm always mad at him. I feel he wants to push me away because I'm a threat to his drinking. I told him Sunday that I felt the bottle was more important to him than anything else was and that the relationship he was in was with the bottle. I waited until he was sober and said it calmly and in a non threatening way stating it made me sad. I'm not an idiot about alcoholics because my step father was one and I drank a lot when I was younger to numb the pain. But, that all changed after I began having anxiety attacks and got help from a counselor and God and made a decision for my health I didn't ever want to drink again. It doesn't bother me that others drink, but it does bother me to see people getting drunk and acting belligerent. I'm always the rescuer and I know that doesn't work because they will just pull you down with them. Just rereading what I've written screams codependent lol. I got divorced a few years ago and I've learned a lot about myself and learned to appreciate who I am and what I have to offer. I know this is his issue and not mine. I'm not ready to throw in the towel, but I know it could come to that if things keep going downhill. And, I guess that makes me sad. Sad that he can't see he's just throwing his life away. I'm afraid he's going to have to hit rock bottom before he stops and I would have thought that already would have happened with some things he's been through in his life, but I guess not. Any advice on dealing with him when he gets this way so I'm not as impacted by his actions would be appreciated. I've read don't engage, do your thing and take care of yourself. But, I need a little more than that for help.
Skye, welcome to MIP, glad you found us and had the courage to relate your situation. Sounds like your boyfriend needs to go back to AA, but unfortunately it must be his decision. Alcoholism is a chronic, progressive disease, that can never be cured, just arrested with abstinence. I would recommend that you join an Al-anon group ... http://al-anon.org/local-meetings because you will get the support and information from face to face meetings that will enable you to focus on yourself and detach from your boyfriends drinking problem. From what you are telling me about him, he should never lay a hand on you, under any circumstances. If you feel threatened by him in anyway while he is under the influence, I would suggest that you should not be around him. If he is drinking in your presence and does act threatening, I would discontinue any conversation with him and leave because he sounds to volatile.
You are not alone, please keep coming back to talk with us.
-- Edited by Debb on Tuesday 6th of October 2015 05:21:25 PM
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Thank you so much for the advice. I am looking into Al Anon meetings in my area and have found one that I plan on attending. I've read that it helps to tell them when they are sober, if you do this, then I'm going to do this and stick to it when it happens. Has that been helpful for people going through this?
Skye,
You already acknowledge that you have some co-dependent tendencies and that's brilliant, you have half of the battle won already. It took me a really long time to even say that word without getting angry and insisting it's not MY fault!!!
I met and started dating my A when I was just freshly divorced. I didn't understand it then but I still had so much healing to do; I was in no way ready to handle a relationship with a full blown alcoholic. He ate me for breakfast while I looked for ways to "make it better". I just wanted to have a peaceful and loving partnership.
So I know you won't take offense when i point out that most of your post is about him and what he does, and what you can do to change what he does. And that you know that really, the answer is not much.
It's true that we can detach and lead somewhat rewarding lives with a drunk partner but you're describing him being forceful and threatening and that doesn't ever become OK. You can't just detach from that and live with it and hope to remain a sane individual.
You are describing setting boundaries and asking if they are helpful. Yes, yes and yes. Boundaries are everything but they won't necessarily change your partners behaviour. Boundaries are for you; they are an opportunity for you to decide what you will and won't accept in your life. He may respect them, but chances are he wont and then you get to decide what you want to do about it. My partner danced all over my boundaries and even peed on them a few times but once I had decided to HAVE boundaries, it helped me decide what i could and could not accept from my relationship. They helped me clarify what was OK for me. They didn't make a whole lot of difference to him because the alcoholic just wants to do what the alcoholic wants to do.
Hope that makes some kind of sense.
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If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see? (Lewis Caroll)
Skye, yes going to meetings is very good for you and yes when my AH is
drinking and nasty, I tell him I will not interact with him in this state that
he is in and leave.
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"Forgiveness doesn't excuse bad behavior, but it
does prevent bad behavior from destroying your heart". ~ unknown
Wow, you are so right on. It was all about him and how to change what he does. Everything in me is sending me signs of what I should do. But, one of my issues is being afraid of ending something and then looking back and regretting it. So, usually it takes me a while to do what's in my best interest. It was the same in my marriage. He wasn't an alcoholic, but I knew I should have left a long time before I did. I think most of my turmoil is knowing I should act in my best interest, but not wanting to be alone so like an idiot I'm trying to find ways to put a band aid on the hemorrhaging so I can delay what very well may be inevitable, even though I don't want to admit yet it's inevitable. I have abandonment issues but routinely end up in situations where I will either be abandoned or run. When he started talking about marriage, I literally broke out in hives and itched for two months instead of just saying I'm not ready to talk about that. What I should be looking at is why do I do what I do in these situations. I'm great everywhere else. But, I suck in a relationship. I give too much, then get angry when I'm taken for granted. I'm the poster child for codependency!
Skye, you are not alone!! You will find as you talk with us and work
the program, that you will learn so much about yourself and find
a great deal of peace and clarity as well. Everyone finds and learns
something different and all of us work the program a bit differently
because our situations are different.
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"Forgiveness doesn't excuse bad behavior, but it
does prevent bad behavior from destroying your heart". ~ unknown
Welcome to MIP - so glad you are here and so glad you joined us!
Others before me have given some great insight. I just wanted to say that if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck - well....it's prolly a duck! Sorry - I've been lacking sleep lately.
This disease is so super powerful and progressive. Take care of you and do your best to see life, the disease and your boyfriend in the moment. You will get some peace of mind as you learn more - keep coming back here - super glad to have ya!
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Practice the PAUSE...Pause before judging. Pause before assuming. Pause before accusing. Pause whenever you are about to react harshly and you will avoid doing and saying things you will later regret. ~~~~ Lori Deschene