The material presented
here is not Al-Anon Conference Approved Literature. It is a method
to exchange
information, ideas, feelings, problems and solutions on a personal
level.
We have a small group and tonight there were only two other people at the meeting. One lady I know has been in the Al-Anon program for several years and is a sponsor to several people I am sure. I just get the feeling sometimes that they are are sort of 'clicky' with each other. There is one guy that also 'heads' up the group sometimes and he is more friendly to me. So I feel more welcome when he is there. He will make an effort to talk to me and ask me how I am doing. I do try to talk to them but they don't talk a lot to me.
Tonight I started talking some about an issue I was having with my two grown children and I really didn't get much response or anything out of either one of them. They both were talking about their past because that is what we were discussing tonight. It just made me feel sort of awkward or out of place because my experiences are so different than theirs and they didn't really seem to listen much to what I was saying.
I guess I expected a group that would be open to new people and exchange phone numbers, etc. The first night I went into the AA room by mistake and that is the first thing they did was give me a list with several phone numbers on it. Overall we do have some very good discussions I just thought we might get together outside the meeting as my A boyfriend said they used to do after his meetings in AA.
Catlover give it some time and kill the expectations that they will focus on your needs and story. Sometimes they can relate and respond and other times not which all have the liberty of doing. I had this same condition when I was new and at first felt strange and out of place and then getting closer to the fellowship and asking for feed back on a personal level really helped me out over time. Program has never ever let me down and I had to attach myself to it with courage and commitment. Keep on keeping on and coming back. MIP often times will give you the greater focus. ((((hugs)))))
Hi catlover, I'm sorry you felt ignored at your Al-Anon meeting. Most Al-Anon meetings do have phone lists and are very welcoming. I am surprised that you have not been given one.
If I understand the difficulty that you encountered today is that , the group introduced a topic for the evening and they were discussing this topic and were not able to listen to an issue that you presented . Your topic sounds as if it was different from the topic for the evening.
The first thing I learned in Al-Anon was to "listen to learn". When the topic was introduced for the evening, I listened as others shared, and then attempted to share on the topic for the night. If I was unable to do so I would then introduce the subject of which I was concerned. Since there is no crosstalk in meetings, I never expected feedback and am a bit confused as to why you felt neglected.
If this happened after the meeting, we do not give advice, so that possibly the members thought all you needed was for them listen.. I also learned to ask for what I needed in Al-Anon. If I needed feedback after the meeting, I would ask someone for it, if I needed a hug. I would ask for it . If I needed to go for coffee. I would ask.
Living with the isolation caused by the disease of alcoholism, I felt uncomfortable often in social settings. Please keep coming back and try different meetings. Breaking the isolation, is extremely important
If the particular al anon meeting didn't click for you perhaps there are others in your area. Sometimes you just need to find the right one for you. Keep going back though. Perhaps they were just having an off night. Give it a few meetings to see. In the mean time you have US. I am glad you went!
Catlover all great suggestions. I just sat and
Listened. There is much to learn at ftf mtgs.
The mtgs Were counter intituitive to me. It
takes awhile to Just Get the hang of things. Are
There any beginner mtgs in your area? also
A temporary sponsor could help smooth the
Way for you and give you support basically
Show you the ropes.
We are to learn our own Lessons, Attend mtgs,
Read our literature, get a sponsor and Work the
steps.
My home group has never been real warm and cozy.
More like hands off they do not want to enable
Or fix you and expect you to get a temporary
Sponsor for your needs. There is usually a show
Of hands who wishes to be one.
Try other meetings too if you can they are all
Different.
So very sorry that your experience was different than expected. With a small group I can imagine it's harder to 'hide' and just observe. I too would try another group if you can find one. I also would keep coming back because it is these exact feelings that kept me from recovery, which kept me from serenity.
AA and Al-Anon meetings (closed) are vastly different from each other. In AA, cross-talk is allowed, it's actually welcomed and topics/problems are raised for feedback/solutions/suggestions. So, if you are comparing notes with another from the other side of the table, you will have differences.
It took me a bit to get into the groove of the Al-Anon way. But, as I watched, learned and listened, I was able to feel more a part of. I kept coming back and did my best to welcome new members in a manner that was warm and loving. I take out trash, clean up coffee, etc. I figured if I wanted something from the experience, I needed to give what I could which wasn't much in the beginning.
I do agree with Betty - if there is something you want or need or are unsure of, just ask. The best part of both programs is service work. Helping one another is a huge portion of recovery and if you ask for what you need/want, it should be available for you and/or a redirect offered. Our meeting is fairly large but in our opening, there is always the question asked if anybody needs a one-on-one.
Don't give up on your meetings though - it's so worth the end result. It took me a minute (or a few years) to figure out that the discomfort I felt in the beginning had much more to do with where I was mentally and spiritually at the time than how they greeted/treated me. (((Hugs))) to you girl!
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Practice the PAUSE...Pause before judging. Pause before assuming. Pause before accusing. Pause whenever you are about to react harshly and you will avoid doing and saying things you will later regret. ~~~~ Lori Deschene
I do appreciate all the great replies and suggestions. Some of it is my own insecurities. I know these two that were there have known each other for a pretty long time I guess so they do seem to have more of a bond. We started off more structured on a topic like we usually do then it was more informal with them sharing their stories. At one time they were spending time looking just at each other talking. But the meetings have been about 8 people sometimes a few more. I live in a smaller town so I know of one other meeting that I may think about visiting. Like I said there is one guy in the group that does make a special effort to talk to me many times after the meeting and tell me that I was missed if I had missed a meeting.
When someone new comes I try to make an effort to talk more to them because I understand the feeling. Maybe somehow they have been there so long they don't remember what it feels like to be new. I have only lived here 2 years too so it takes a lot of effort to make myself get out. But I will keep on going.
I am so thankful to have MIP to come to when I do need that extra support and advice.
-- Edited by catlover26 on Friday 18th of September 2015 10:41:45 PM
What is it you want from the meeting? For me I just needed to learn the program fast. It offered a brand new way of thinking that has given me freedom and a happy life. So, I listen and listen and listen to old timers. They've got what you want or do they? Doesn't sound like you particularly want it. Maybe your own reasons for being there are the problem.
I think there can be several reasons to attend the meetings. I started going about 3 months ago. Of course the most important is to learn how to work the program and I do spend most of my time listening to the few there that have been in it for the long haul and have experience.
But I do believe their should be a certain amount of fellowship involved and 'attention' given to newcomers. I don't want to give them advice on how to run their meetings but I have seen several people come and go since I have been there. I have heard a few of the 'old timers' say keep coming back and 'work the program'. To a newcomer we don't understand what 'work the program' means. One lady in particular seem confused on what that meant and they somewhat explained it to her but I haven't seen her back. Of course it could be for a variety of reasons but I think communication and talking more one on one to these newcomers on what their needs are may have encouraged more of them to keep coming back.
I just haven't seen the 'old timers' make an effort to talk very much afterwards to other ones that are new and that does bother me.
I think you stating that 'it doesn't sound like I particularly want it' is a pretty bold statement to make. Like I am not serious about being in the program. You don't know me from what little I have posted here and that is not a fair statement to make.
Hi catlover, As I read over your F2F experience and subsequent feelings, it brought up many memories of my own early experience with F2F meetings that I will share as it relates to my change in perspective over time and how my early experiences helped me to grow.
I first came to an AlAnon meeting in a small town that was fortunate to have several meetings a week, each quite different in size and "feel". I chose the first available meeting and walked in not knowing much about what the program was about.
That particular meeting ended up with a total of 5 attendees, including myself. I was not whisked away for a separate introduction and explanation of the program, but stayed in the group to observe, watch, listen to what went on, read the slogans on the walls, and get my first sense of what AlAnon was about. Afterward, everyone was pleasant, told me to keep coming back.
I attended four more meetings that week, and continued attending as many meetings as I could fit in my schedule. Many members, it seemed, had been attending for several years, knew most everyone else there, whether it be 6 people or 36. It was quickly apparent to me that the commonality in the attendees was the pain of the disease, and outside of that, very few people I felt I would relate to outside of the meetings.
Additionally, it seemed to me that time in the program did not always equate to alignment with the AlAnon principles and traditions, indicating that attendance and association did not cause recovery. From what I learned in my very first meeting, I knew that the AlAnon could guide me to wisdom that I did not have, and to a peace that I wanted. I decided that it was the program, not the people that dispensed the tools and wisdom I sought.
As I become more familiar with the principles, steps, and traditions of AlAnon, I found myself getting uncomfortable or agitated when I saw or heard things that disagreed with my understanding of the program, and how I felt it should be handled. At times, this included how newcomers were handled.
Besides regular F2F meeting attendance, reading AlAnon literature was the biggest factor in making changes within myself and finding serenity. Every page that I read suggested that whatever the situation, feeling of discomfort or disappointment, the answer lay in looking at what I could change. In my daily readings, I came across p. 185 in C2C, and to this day remember how humbling it was to realize that I had slipped into thinking I knew best how things "should" go in a program so much bigger than myself.
I realized that my fear that other members weren't saying or doing the "right" things, or were saying things that would scare the newcomers away or give an incomplete or inaccurate depiction of the program was a symptom of my tendency to control the behavior and outcome of others. It was similar to what I had done with my qualifier. The lesson for me from that page was: Whether or not the newcomer digs into the program and finds serenity is not in my control, just as it's not possible for me to say the "right" thing to convince my qualifier to get sober. They have to be ready, want recovery, and be led by their higher power.
I attended some pretty awkward, oddly run meetings in my first couple of weeks in the program. But I was at the point in my life where I knew the answers were not going to come from within me. I saw the answers in AlAnon, and decided that I would follow the program, not always the people. This has served me well as I realize that we are all Miracles in various stages of Progress and recovery; none of us demonstrate the principles of AlAnon perfectly.
I admit that I have not responded to all newcomers in the recommended way, for a variety of reasons that include what I felt I was able to give at the time. But I have come to accept that I must do only what I feel I can at the time, and turn the rest over to my higher power, and the newcomer's. Having absolute confidence that AlAnon is available to every newcomer who is ready to work on their own recovery and look to make changes within themselves, allows me to turn it over to higher powers. If they are ready and willing to look through the silt of individual imperfections and see the gleam of recovery gold, they will. It has everything to do with them, not me.
Working hard on my attitude helps me realize that the struggles in attitude that I experience at meetings is a signal that I have discovered an area for further adjustment and improvement. Not judging the attitude and behavior of others has been a large and ongoing improvement project since coming into AlAnon. F2F meetings are great opportunities for me to practice accepting the different opinions and behaviors of others and showing love to others despite perceived differences.
As I look back, I am so grateful that I hung on to the program despite the things that I didn't always understand or agree with. The return I've gotten from AlAnon far outweighs the occasional discomfort I sometimes felt. I am so glad you keep going back and continue to look for the gems of AlAnon, and absolutely believe your work will be rewarded. Thank you for sharing your experience and allowing me to reflect on my progress. It is a reminder to me of the the progress that can be made when I place principles above personalities.
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Paul
"...when we try to control others, we lose the ability to manage our own lives." - Paths to Recovery
guess im pretty lucky. a nice lady takes me to my meetings and we have a warm and welcoming group. i felt comfortable right away. i am litrature person and i make the coffee. it is an awesome supportive enviorment. the women are around my age and have similar tales to share. i learn alot. ive been there 1 and 1/4 yrs and they accept who i am etc
The way I see it is wanting the group or the meeting or the people to be better, do better, do it differently, be nicer etc to newcomers is part of the disease of alcoholism. Newcomers come and go often, sometimes they arent ready to give up, their still trying to control it, bleieving they have the power. No welcome, however perfect can change that. We reach our own rock bottom before we can hear properly or see properly. We in alanon have no power over anyone elses readiness. The fact your looking at how others conduct themselves in meetings suggests to me that your not taking what you like, your wanting it to be given to you by the old timers/ I could be wrong, I often am.
I am a big fan of the fellowship, it works, changed my whole life for the better. I dont believe there is any such thing as a bad meeting, they all have something to give if your minds open. Maybe yours isnt yet, not to say it wont be but maybe your looking for something perfect, I can relate to that. Try focusing on the good at each and every meeting and ignore the bits that arent going your way.
This is a great subject. I still feel isolated at my
Meetings even though i enjoy them. I also love to
hear Everyones esh.
The closeness is probably me and my issues. They
Are not my friends that care or really know me is the
Way i feel about it. I do help after mtgs, i am the
Librarian, attend business mtgs, cleanup and welcome
newcomers. It took me awhile to do these things.
It is all a process especially when you are in a lot of
Emotional pain.
Really listening, learning and absorbing as a newbie
is so important. I was on rock bottom. Its what brought
me there also xah was attending AA. Two giant pushes
In attending and he has been dry for thirty years.
I am so grateful for this program and all the healing
I have received. I try to overlook my isolated feelings.
As betty stated ask for what you need.
Keep embracing your ftf mtgs they taught me so much,
Changing and growing is hard work. Keep showing up
for you More will follow. You also get the love and support
of MIP.
I am grateful for all the replies here,it is helping me make the decision whether I should return to f2f meetings again.
I stopped attending because I was unhappy with the meeting format,the crosstalk,the gossip,etc and reading here has helped me realize I have been trying to control others,that's what I have been focusing on instead of the actual program.
*I didn't get a response from either of them* is what caught my eye in your post . For me that is the gift of this program no one tells me how to deal with the situation they just listen and show me respect by not trying to fix it for me . I found the silence after sharring very unsettling at first but came to understand that it was the respect that we show each other by not responding , I don't know about you , but comming to this program was the first time in along time that someone just listened , which allowed me to find my own solutions . I just needed to be heard . Louise