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Hi everyone, first post from a fairly desperate guy!

My wife has been drinking on and off now for three years and over the past two / three months it's been every day. I've been reading up on topics such as how I should be dealing with this, and it turns out that I've recognised that my behaviour (losing my temper, threatening to leave but not following through because of the kids) might actually be enabling the drinking And the lying.

One website in particular says that I should act as though nothing is happening but how can you do that if there are kids involved and they're suffering too?



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Hi Steve welcome to MIP. I can certainly identify with your confusion and anxiety and have reacted in the same fashion prior to finding some support in Al-Anon. Al-Anon is the recovery program for families and friends of alcoholics. Alcoholism is a dreadful progressive, chronic disease over which we are powerless. Living with the disease we develop many destructive coping tools, so that we need a program of recovery of our own. Face-to-face meetings are held in most communities and the hotline number is listed in the white pages

In Al-Anon I was able to break the isolation caused by living in the disease, find people who understood as few others could, was given constructive tools to live by and a safe place in which to learn and to practice them.

The website that you found that suggested that" reacting in anger "was not wise is true--- being human this is how we react to the insanity of that disease. Al-Anon provided me with different tools so that I learn to respond in a healthy fashion, and not react. I also learned to live one day at a time, focused on myself and my own needs, trusting in a power greater than myself. Meetings, the sponsor and powerful small slogans of this program helped me to regain my sanity. I urge you to search out Al-Anon meetings and attend. You are not alone

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I don't know what website you are referring to but I suspect that when it says to "act as if nothing is happening" it is sharing a tool for how to interract with an addict when they are active and pushing your buttons. If that's what it means then it's potentially a good tool to use; say for example they said they won't drink and you come home to find them stonkered and spoiling for a fight...carrying on as normal rather than directing your attention to their nonsense can be helpful and save us getting drawn into the drama and manipulation that so exhausts us all.

This frees your energy and serenity to enable you to make good, wise decisions to improve and protect your wellbeing and that of your children.
So say perhaps you come home and your wife is drunk and seems to be daring you to engage in an exhausting unwinable battle about it. Instead you can not engage with her and instead calmly decide to do things that are best for you and the kids...like go somewhere else. i'm over-simplifying it but what I learned was to engage my drunk partner as little as possible, and decide to do NOT what would have an impact on him, but what would instead have the most positive impact on myself and child. Usually for me that was leaving, and in the end it became permanent.

I hope that's what the website was getting at, anyway because I agree, simply 'acting as if nothing is happening" in a home with an active alcoholic is unhealthy for us and confusing and damaging for children.

Also welcome, and good on you for reaching out and looking for a better way!

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Hi guys, thanks for the replies.

Missmeliss, I'm sure that's what it means - don't engage them in a pointless and unwinable argument - they're still gonna be drunk at the end of its so its completely pointless.

It's just tough when I see the effect it has on the kids. They're seeing and realising things that kids that young shouldn't and my worst fear is that it messes with their wee minds. I don't want them growing up with parent issues, but then again, I suppose all I can do is make sure that they've got at least one parent they can rely on.

Again, thanks for taking the time to reply.

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Welcome to Our Family Stevie ;) Very Glad to have you...

And Also Congrats for Seeking out Help for you & your Kids ;) That's Huge in the Age of Addictions...Like Hotrod Stated, finding an Al-Anon Group in your area would be an Added amount of Wonderful Support, Along with coming here, You will be surprised as Most of us are, just how Many of Us deal with this on a daily basis... I hope that you will Continue to Join us, and Share your Thoughts, for that is how we all Grow and Learn from this disease...

So Just wanted to say... Welcome to Our Family ;) Keep Coming Back... and the Peace & Serenity you are Seeking can be Found within the Loving Rooms of Al-Anon & MIP :) ...

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Wow, how interesting that I am searching the internet today reading about enabling.  

My counselor has suggested that I attend Al-Anon classes, but I just can't get to any locally.  Then she recommended looking online for a group.  So I did & the first thing I see is this room.  Seems like it's right where I need to be.  

My husband has a family history of alcoholism.  He has progressively gotten worse over the 10 years I've known him.  Even after all the lies & continued use troubles, I continue to think that things will change & he will someday see what I've been asking.  

The hardest part is seeing the kids have to suffer from his use. 



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This was one of the links I read today, seemed to make a bit of sense to me.

alcoholism.about.com/cs/info2/a/aa980225.htm

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Stevie75 -

I too welcome you to MIP - so glad you found us and glad you found the courage to post and inquire.

I have an Alcoholic Husband and 2 Alcoholic Boys. I met and married my husband in the other side of this program, each of us with about 6 years sober when we married.

I've stayed sober, he did not. He chose to relapse 22 +/- years ago, and I wish I had found Al-Anon way back then. It might have helped us to a different outcome - things might have been the same....not sure and will never know.

My sons grew up with 'the disease'. One active parent and one sober program parent. They followed the path I tried to steer them clear of, thinking as addictive minds do that they knew better so they would do better. So not true - this disease is powerful, progressive, cunning, baffling and sneaky.

Things I wish I had done different - not shadow them from the truth....I covered extensively for my AH - in many ways for a long, long while. I was not a compassionate person towards him nor my boys when they began their crazy behavior. I also kept trying to steer all towards a 'family' and that was like herding wet cats - impossible.

This disease is a disease of thinking. It affects every member of the family and brings resentments, shame, anger, sadness, anxiety, etc. to all. It manifests differently in each but it's effects can be long-term. Had I found Al-Anon earlier and found my compassionate voice earlier, I would have been able to be more honest with my boys and tell them that Dad is sick and why. Perhaps honesty vs. dishonesty may have drove them a different route. Maybe not. Again, I can't change the past, and I don't know the future.

All I got is this day and this day, I choose peace, serenity, program and working on me. Al-Anon has given me the tools to find happiness, joy and peace no matter what the 3 are doing. I now love them unconditionally, and harbor no resentments for the past. When we have chaos and/or drama now, I do my best to detach and manage my own actions/reactions. It's been a wonderful journey.

Again, so glad you're here - just keep asking and we'll keep trying to answer! Keep coming back!

Sad Mom - a huge welcome to you too! We have meetings here twice a day online. The schedule is up at the top, left hand side. Feel free to join any time - if you tell them you are new, they'll make sure you are welcomed properly and helped as possible.

Glad you are here too!

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Hi iamhere, thanks for the welcome.

ive chosen to be honest with the the kids from the beginning, purely because I've always been honest with them about everything. I don't agree with shielding kids from the big bad world because, ultimately, they're gonna have to go out in it one day themselves And the better prepared they are, the better.

just sucks that it's happening to them, coz they're awesome. 



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Good for you Stevie! That is one regret I have as they figured it out and confronted me on it....Kudos to you for being honest with your kids!!

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Practice the PAUSE...Pause before judging.  Pause before assuming.  Pause before accusing.  Pause whenever you are about to react harshly and you will avoid doing and saying things you will later regret.  ~~~~  Lori Deschene

 

 



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Steve75 Welcome to MIP.  Finding a Face To Face Al-anon group in your

area (can be located via the internet or yellow pages) would be the best

thing you can do to for you and your children and of course you can come

on this board to talk with us anytime.



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