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I can't believe this is happening again!


I married my ex husband in June 2010.  By September, he was drinking and drugging (vodka and cocaine) every day, not working, destroying all of our possessions and scaring the poop out of me.  He agreed to go to rehab.  He stayed for 17 days.  He was sober for 57 days.  I felt amazing to have my husband back.  I could hypothesize as to what set him off on his binging.  He relapsed just before Thanksgiving.  I set boundaries, always allowing them to be crossed.  I went to Al Anon meetings religiously - 2 - 3 a week - did all the readings, kept in contact with my meeting groups.  Fast forward to May, 2012 - he'd been to 5 rehabs by then, countless detoxes and overnight hospital stays, several different outpatient programs.  That month my 58 year old Mother died unexpectedly and very rapidly from stage 4 stomach cancer.  None of us was ready for this.  My ex husband disappeared with my father's car for a week, leaving me to mourn alone and explain his absence to the 300+ people who attended my Mom's funeral, which was embarrassing.  I moved in with a very kind friend of mine with a spare bedroom from that time until September when I could find an apartment out of our neighborhood but still affordable and accessible to work.  The deal I made with my ex was that if he could stay sober for 6 months, he could move in with me.  If he was drunk, he was no allowed in.  He was not allowed to spend the night.  In October his father drove him to the apartment one evening with his dog, whom I loved, and then drove away.  I let him in and could tell immediately that he was drunk - his father is in denial and refused to respect the boundaries I tried to put into place. Because he had his dog with him he couldn't take public transportation home and, not having a car or enough money for a cab for him, I had no choice but to let him stay.  He fell out of bed and smashed his head on the night table, slicing open his ear and bleeding all over the rug (admittedly inexpensive IKEA, but still) that I had bought for myself.  I couldn't get him up off the floor (he's a really tall guy) and had to leave him there bleeding on my rug all night.  Next morning, I told him he had to leave immediately, and just pushed him and his dog out the door.  I don't know how he got home - if he called his father or walked or sneaked his dog in the subway or bus or got a taxi that his dad paid for when he got back to his place.  I fortunately had a Bissel spot bot that I had bought ages ago to deal with cat mishaps and was so blessed that the blood all came right out of the carpet using the machine.

That was the last time I saw him.  I spoke with him a few more times, mostly for logistical reasons.  I decided in February, 2013 to divorce him but postponsed filing the papers and hemmed and hawed over it for months.  I finally had him served in September, 2013 and the divorce judgment and order were entered in December 2013.  I felt so incredibly guilty - here was this man I had promised to love, cherish and honor for the rest of our lives, in sickness and health, until death do us part.  I took those vows VERY seriously.  People told me that since he wasn't holding up his promised, I shouldn't be expected to either.  The problem for that, for me, was that my promises and my behaviors are not conditional on those of another.  I hold myself to my own standard.  I consulted the priest who had married us, who is very close with my family, and her comment was the one thing that gave me comfort: the words "until death do us part" doesn't necessarily mean death in the corporeal sense, but can easily apply to the death of the relationship, the death of the marriage.  She kindly reminded me as well that God did NOT put us on Earth to suffer and be miserable.

Since that time, I have spent many days in dark depression, letting friendships and family relationships be put on hold.  I'm very lucky that my support network is there unconditionally - I could withdraw for weeks and when I reached out, they were always there.  I was constantly breaking plans. I saw a psychiatrist but could never adequately describe the anxiety, fear, guilt, shame, embarrassment, inadequacy, rejection and hopelessness I felt.  But somehow I kept on.  I quit my job, thinking I'd found a better one but the new one turned out to be a complete  con.  I lasted there for 4 months and quit in February, 2014.  Not having health insurance, I could no longer see my psychiatrist.  I stopped going to meetings and reaching out to my group members.  I continued journaling and reading the literature.  I sunk into depression but had made plans back in January to spend a week in Vegas in April.  The dismal NY winter last year contributed to my despair - it was so bitter cold that the thought of leaving the apartment for anything was daunting.  

I took the trip to Vegas. By myself for a week, using the timeshare that I was awarded in the divorce.  I did what I want, when I wanted to.  I pretended I was a different person, a successful New York lawyer out to enjoy myself for a week.  While there, I got a call from the placement agent that he had a job he wanted me to interview for.  I came back and did the interview and was hired. The job was in Long Island, 20 miles from my apartment in Brooklyn and not in Manhattan where I'd been running the rat race for 10 years just to get nowhere.  I asked my Dad to lend me a car and away I went to the new job.  I started the first Monday of May.  It was a breath of fresh air.  I won't bore you with the details but suffice to say it was amazing. I felt so incredibly blessed to have this.  I felt that my higher power picked the exactly right time to put this in my path because I may not have been able to appreciate it previously.

Three weeks later, I met the most amazing man.  I still have issues with trust and faith in other people - I remind myself that words are wind and that the only thing you can really rely on is behavior, actions.  This man treated me like no other human being, male or female, ever has.  He lit me up.  He reminded me of parts of myself that I'd buried.  I fell in love with him in 2 weeks.  He moved in in September.  He has his issues - which of us doesn't? - with panic disorder and a congenital back disorder that causes him pain and he is out on disability.  And from that last comment you can imagine where this is going.

He is on several medications.  Some for his panic disorder (Xanax, Wellbutrin), another for some hormone therapy that he injects once a month.  For his back, his doctor (who he ses frequently) proscribes him Oxycodone.  He did tell me about 3 weeks into the relationship that he was on powerful narcotics for his back and that sometimes it left him feeling lousy.  In the past 7 months that we've been together, there have been several occasions, that lasted 1 or 2 days at the most, of him needed to stay in bed and sleep.  Each time, he said it was due to his panic disorder, that he was having panic attacks that made it impossible for him to leave the house.  I believed that.

He asked me to marry him Sunday and I accepted.  I told my friends and family and they were all thrilled.

He'd been in bed since Monday.  I thought it was the panic disorder.  I was journaling to myself to have faith, to trust, to recognize that he is a grown 40 year old man who is fully equipped to care for himself.  That if I was to try to "help," like I am so often inclined to do, I would be controlling, asserting my will, robbing him of his autonomy.

Yesterday morning, his backpack that he keeps his medication in and up high (he has a 6 year old daughter who sometimes comes to stay with us) fell and a belt, spoon, heavy duty lighter and syringes fell out.  His medication bottle also fell out.  Of the 90 pills that he was prescribed 9 days ago, 4 remained.  There were tissues in the garbage with blood on them.  I had noticed marks on his arms before and he explained that they were scarring from the many surgeries he'd had previously.  

I was utterly and completely devastated.  I wanted him out.  I had made it ABUNDANTLY clear that addiction and drug abuse could not ever again be a part of my life, that I'd already gone through it and it nearly destroyed me.  He was high at the time and I knew that I couldn't have a serious, coherent conversation with him.  I went to work, tried to distract myself.  I can't confide in anyone about this for how foolish I feel - how can I have been so blind, so naive, to yet again choose someone with an addiction?  How can I expect my friends and family to once again support me - emotionally and financially - if and when this all implodes?

I was up journaling at 2:30 this morning.  He came out around 3, I could tell he was detoxing.  We talked a little.  I cried a lot.  I told him how betrayed I felt.  He told me he was afraid to tell me because he knew how I felt about it.  I said if that's the case, then why not DO something about it - I was in the dark for 7 months.  At any time during those 7 months he could have, without telling me, talked with his doctor to come up with plan to stop this.  In any event, I head all the same things my ex had told me - almost verbatim.  I can't lose you.  You're the best thing that's ever happened to me.  I'll do anything to fix this.  I just need time.

I'm so torn.  I really have no idea what to do.  We have an appointment with his doctor tomorrow morning at 10 to discuss this.  I made the appointment.  I felt horrible betraying his confidence in calling his doctor.  At first I insisted on being in the appointment with him.  Now I'm not sure I have the right to do that, or that it will be a good thing for us.

He's asking me to trust him and to have faith in him.  I looked up opiate detox and it looks like it takes a long time and it really sucks.  Relapse is almost inevitable.  Add to that the back pain that he suffers and for which this medication was prescribed to him and I can only imagine the discomfort he can expect.  I'm trying to keep my eyes and mind open to signs from the universe as to how to proceed.  I'm trying to be patient, understanding, to detach, to not manipulate the situation, cause him additional guilt.  It's Christmas morning.  I could have spent it with my Dad, my brother and sister in law and their daughter and my sister and brother in law.  Instead I spent the night fretting and crying and feeling anxious and panicked while he slept fitfully, sweating and moaning.  

I'm not asking for advise, necessarily, I just needed and outlet here.  I need to know that there are other people knowing what is going on, because there's no one else I can talk to.  You can rest assured that I'll be finding a meeting to attend Friday.  Probably Saturday and Sunday as well.

Thanks for listening.  Merry Christmas everyone!



-- Edited by Mlkiss75 on Thursday 25th of December 2014 10:52:58 AM

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From an outsider reading your post, you are making excuses for this guy just as you did for your first husband. You are taking the responsibility for his addiction. This is his problem and he is trying to make it your's. And my dear, you know what is ahead for you if you proceed with the marriage. I really think your HP has been telling you to walk away from this situation. "At any time during those 7 months he could have, without telling me, talked with his doctor to come up with plan to stop this. " Yes he could have but he didn't until he was caught out. Now he is asking you to trust him? Why would you? Yet you are angsting over not making the situation more difficult for him! Who is showing any consideration for you in this scenario- time to think of yourself for a change.


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Welcome to MIP and this may not be an easy post to take in.  I some questions: what are you torn about?  Living a life of hell or serenity? Is there a possibility you have missed the signs of the universe ( you have been presented with another addict so you can see your addiction of codependency)?  And there is no shame in what you have chosen, it happens.

He is asking you to have faith and trust in him? He has shown you he is an addict and addicts cannot be trusted.  They cannot trust themselves, their life is made up of betrayals and cons.  I am sensing an urgency for you to get into recovery conversation as though your life depended on it.  There are online meetings here, a step board, many posts to read and a chat room.  We don't know you and we love you, let us share with you our experiences, strength and hope.  That is our Christmas gift to you if you will accept.  Blessings.



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Hi Mlkiss and welcome to MIP. I'm sorry you are experiencing this. Any kind of addiction is bad. When I read your post I was reminded of expectations and trust. I have learned that neither of these two concepts can be applied to an addict, doesn't matter if it is alcohol or drugs. Where they are concern you can not have any expectations of them nor place any trust in them. He asked you to trust him, but I know deep down you know this isn't possible. Trust and expectations are not part of an alcoholic or addict's vocabulary. However they are part of your vocabulary. Trust your instincts and expectations for yourself. Focus on yourself.

I'm glad you will be attending meetings. Good for you. Take care of you and take one day at a time.

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The familiarity of this situation to my previous situation is unbelievable and I completely remember how that turned out. I'm absolutely not letting myself get into the same mess. I have found a happiness with my life, without him, that I am not willing to compromise. I have heard all the excuses, all the explanations, the rationalizations. I'm not prepared to let myself be a sucker for this.

Thank you all so much for your feedback. It helps to know that my instincts are right.

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You are so spot on and your story is an intimate one for me.  Thank you for sharing today and I hope your day is more peace filled for you...big hug.



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You are really doing the right thing if you let the guy go out on his own, maybe hit bottom and get back up on his own. Otherwise he may never change his addictions. He does need you to make him feel like everything is OK, he has a mate a home to live in, food, sex and someone who loves him. He is in denial big time. Take care of yourself YOU ARE WORTH IT.....



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Your heading says it all.....I don't think you want this to start all over again. Have faith, have hope but its time to starting taking care of you and you only.

Stay close and keep coming back because you are not alone

Have a blessed Christmas


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You have done it before and this time you are smarter and know what happiness lies outside of living with an addict. Hold that close and remind yourself that if it was meant to be with him, he will find sobriety, get the help he needs, and maybe you two can rekindle things in a few YEARS. He's going to need serious sobriety and you already know the risks of relapses, etc.

Merry Christmas to you! Maybe a trip to Las Vegas is in order again??? I live in Phoenix and the weather is so much better than the east coast (I grew up in Jersey).

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Mlkiss75 wrote:

The familiarity of this situation to my previous situation is unbelievable and I completely remember how that turned out. I'm absolutely not letting myself get into the same mess. I have found a happiness with my life, without him, that I am not willing to compromise. I have heard all the excuses, all the explanations, the rationalizations. I'm not prepared to let myself be a sucker for this.

Thank you all so much for your feedback. It helps to know that my instincts are right.


 dear Mlkiss.....i am glad you are thinking about what the others here have said...ALL of them are talking through experience and strength and hope and our hope is you embrace alanon....let this guy GO!!! you are not the addict whisperer....he is waaay too sick....its sad, but we can only help ourselves and if our partners/family members/friends are not travelling a similiar path that we are, it WONT WORK........OK...this lesson happened...You got involved....Now you see what he is, and i am sorry...i'm sorry the pain you are experiencing, but one thing i learned in alanon.....the SAME lessons will KEEP hitting us UNTIL we GET IT...Learn from it....move past it.......

are there any meets near you??? if not we have them here on line and they are good....seems to me you need healthy people around you to show you what healthy living is about......i welcome you to alanon and this MIP board and i hope you give yourself the Christmas gift of taking care of you....putting your needs/wants first, your health first and let this man go....

so you made a mistake.....the BIG mistake would be to let it continue......let alanon be your Christmas gift to yourself...and our loving support and acceptance....no judges here...we all have messed up.....but as we get healthier, we can see our mistakes...own them, take responsibility for them and do the right thing by ourselves  and letting him go, to fall, may be the only chance he has of getting help......you can't save him....you will go down the tubes with him.......IN SUPPORT



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Well, that just sucks. You have been on a roller coaster of emotions but I am glad to hear that you do realize you've been duped. At the end of the day, you have found a huge victory and I hope that you choose to celebrate the decision you've made and not second-guess yourself. Leaving an addict is hard - they are master manipulators and somehow know exactly what to say, how to beg. Staying would be worse. I know. I stayed. I'll also tell you that there is one big difference between an alcoholic and an opiate addict. When an alcoholic is drunk, you KNOW it. It's obvious (I assume, it has been this way in my experience but may not be true all the time), but when an opiate addict is high, which is probably more constant than you realize, you can't TELL. They seem normal. They function. They don't always fall down, slur, or pass out. So, you are left assuming they are fine until one day you realize they have been high for the last few months, few years, few decades.......and you didn't know.

Trust me when I say that if I could go back 20 years to when I found myself in a similar situation, I'd run and never look back. You loved him, but he isn't whole. Just like the priest told you before - this guy isn't fully alive. You can't start out a marriage with one who is not fully alive and may not ever be. It's hard to walk way from the dream, but make sure you keep your eyes on the reality.

You have just found a new life for yourself. Love yourself enough to enjoy that new life with nothing holding you back. You're worth it.

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Thank you all again for your comments. I am no stranger to this board or to the 12 step programs including al anon. I know that I will never be "cured" but will always be in recovery, will always need reinforcement to help me stick with the good decisions I make and not repeat the bad. I am very grateful for you all and I definitely feel the love. He's moving out tomorrow and (he says) seeking help. I told him that I wish him well and will pray for him every day that he find sobriety and escapes his addiction and pain. He asked if we could talk, if we could see each other. I told him I'd reach out to him if and when I felt I could. This is the hardest thing I've ever done and I have no way of knowing right now if it's the right thing, but as I've been told time and again, try your best and release the outcome. I do wish him well and will continue to take care of myself and do what's best for me.



-- Edited by Mlkiss75 on Thursday 25th of December 2014 10:31:44 PM

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You've probably never met the real him. You've met many pseudo hims and not the real him because his brain and body is functioning on drugs. Addicts can be very personable, charming, seemingly romantic and attentive - and it doesn't mean a thing. It's not real. You are able to go on without looking back if you choose. With Al-Anon work, the next person you choose may be someone in their right mind who doesn't utilize drugs to keep going or feeling normal.

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Its just so crazy because I truly had no idea he was an addict until yesterday. I can't believe I was so fooled!

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"Live in and for the day, each and every day, starting right now." Janet Geringer Woititz, Ed.D., "Marriage on the Rocks: Learning to Live with Yourself and an Alcoholic."


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I understand.  I've been surprised myself from time to time but usually more by folks I've known a long time who probably weren't active As when I first met them and got hooked by the disease and as the disease progressed, changed.



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After many years of marriage I discovered my husband was addicted to prescription pain meds.  I, too, was fooled.  I did not know the scope of his dysfunction and usage until a few years into his recovery.  He was also an alcoholic, so I thought his moodiness and sullen behavior was from the years of alcohol abuse, yet he didn't drink large amounts of alcohol.  I guess with a diet of Vicodin and OxyContin one doesn't need the drink to get high.  Dont be hard on yourself,  the disease is cunning...too much for us.  It is blessing you discovered it when you did.  There is always a silver lining.



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Take your time and just work on you. After my divorce is final i dont plan on any
New relationships for 2-3 years. Until i am healthy and happy in my own skin.
I am 58 but i am in no rush or i will end up finding someone just like my dry ah
Again Because he is so familiar after 29 years of living with him.

You might benefit from www.divorcecare.org its ftf mtg that has helped
Me greatly. Its okay to mourn,grieve be depressed. It is a process many
Others before you have gone through. It is a loss just because someone is an
Addict does not stop the pain of loss hurt and sorrow. You just need help Working
through it. i still cry and i am often in pain but it will end eventually. I trust my Hp
To lead the way for me in my new and different life.

I am still mad,hurt and Rejected because of my ah. Every day i face new truths and
Insights as i recover but it takes time and healing. Some days my emotional
Pain makes my body so weak i feel like i could faint. I try to be very gentle
With myself at this time, no more stress or bad things than i can handle.






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Your HP showed you the backpack! Pushed it into your sight for you to see....acknowledge this message! Wishing you Peace!

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I feel SO bad for you.  I had one thought when I read your post and it was "RUN". But knowing that it is not my place to tell you what to do, my only reply can be ..... Think hard about marriage.  Postpone at the very least. I would hate to see you wind up in a world of hurt again. Hugs to you...hard decisions ahead....



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