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Did my ex misunderstand Al Anon's message??


Hi All,

I'm new here and would like some opinions on what happened to my relationship with my ex GF. I am a compulsive overeater and go back and forth between going to OA meetings. I suggested my GF try Al Anon to deal with some problems her daughter was having and she liked the meetings and began to attend regularly. Soon, I noticed her changing in certain ways (dropping old relationships with girlfriends, saying that certain things didn't "work" for her, etc.) Recently, after making some progress in eating better, I began tiring of the boring food I was preparing for myself (I'm not much of a cook.) I asked my GF if she could help me by showing me how to be more creative (she's a wonderful cook) and she refused, saying her "recovery wouldn't allow it."

I understand she might feel she can't get involved in my "addiction" and would expect her to bow out if I were asking her to help me obtain unhealthy food or enable me somehow, but I'm confused as to how helping me by teaching me how to help myself would be interpreted as "enabling." We broke up after 3 years of dating due to this issue because I felt the changes she was making were destructive to what we had built and loved about each other and she steadfastly stood her ground, saying her recovery had to come first.

She was extremely loving and caring up until her Al Anon experience and  I would love to hear some opinions of experienced people on the forum. I'm open to hearing I'm wrong here, but am wondering if she hasn't misunderstood the "putting up boundaries" message. Does Al Anon really promote backing away from helping a loved one like this?



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I can completely relate.

I feel Al-Anon helps us learn to cope with what we can ....not necessarily abandon anyone. Do you still want to work it out with her? Maybe she just needs space? Does she still show she cares in other ways?

I'm personally very pro-healthy relationship though I'm not in one right now.

Sometimes, there is so much in life, I feel I have to minimize certain things, so it will not be so foggy. Is your GF a very busy woman with many responsibilities? Maybe she needs to "keep it simple"

This is my issue, for example.....As much as I would love someone to cuddle with, I'm a single mom right now.
I deserve lots of genuine love and would love to have a new wonderful boyfriend but I tried dating once and though it was nice in it's ways, I realized it's more than I can honestly handle at the moment.
I need to personally heal and make sure there is a good relationship between myself and my 8 and 6 year olds first....especially because I see a lot of my AH headstrong personality in my son. I do give my children space, but need to make sure that my son's headstrong qualities head to the right direction.


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Tyrone,

I'm sorry for your loss; breakups are confusing and painful.

Working the 12 steps is an ongoing process of progress and not perfection. We strive to develop healthier ways of thinking and coping skills. Being human, I find this process is sometimes one of trial and error - I don't get it right every first try. Also, it is not uncommon for even positive changes to not be well received by family and friends, as it shifts the dynamics. Many experience stronger relationships because of improved dynamics.

I don't feel that there is enough information to discern exactly what happened with your exgf and it may not be an issue of right vs wrong. However, it sounds like there is something that she perceived as- for whatever reason- needing to maintain a boundary.

I view enabling as doing for someone what they could do for themselves. It's possible that she misunderstood your intentions behind your request- or - I'm wondering if she felt that in agreeing to help, she would have felt overly responsible for the outcomes. There could be other information that hasn't been illuminated- if an opportunity presents itself, one thought would be to respectfully ask for a clarification.

Sending prayers for comfort.




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Aloha Tyrone...you say you broke up and then you're wanting her to teach you while she resists for what ever reason.  She doesn't want to and you have lots of other directions to face to get your cooking right needs met.  That sounds like a "fix me" shout and she's saying no. One of the roughest lessons I learned in Al-Anon myself was "What part of No don't I understand"? along with "No" is a complete sentence.

It was responses like "bud's" that helped me to grow in recovery because they asked me to reflect...take an honest inventory of the situation and my motives and then make the proper changes resulting in serenity and/or sanity or attempt to "do the same thing over and over again expecting different results".   Your GF sounds like she likes the different results she is getting from practicing her program and what's good is to respect it, her, consequences.

When I stopped enabling my alcoholic/addict wife and after half a dozen split-ups she also had a reaction like yours...she confronted me with "but you've always done it this way" and wanted me to continue playing my enabling part however I had reached the place in recovery that your GF has reached and I was done...I knew she hadn't done what she needed to do to change herself and only wanted me to continue playing my part.  I was done and "No" was a complete sentence and said the "No" with love and respectful consideration of her.  She left and found someone else to try to fill my shoes and I'm not curious how what worked out.

Enabling I was taught in recovery is "If the other person has the time, ability and facility to get their expectations me and I step in to fulfill anyone of those...I am enabling (them to stay impaired).  If they lack anyone of the three...and...they ask me for helf then I can consider supporting their need".   It sounds like your GF has learned that lesson.  Commend, honor and respect her and go keep looking for solutions for yourself.  You are responsible.  Do you have an OA sponsor?  What does your sponsor/program say? (((((hugs))))) smile



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Hi Tyrone,

I know of at least two men who have always enjoyed meals cooked by others and who have subsequently taught themselves to cook wonderful fabulous meals which they now enjoy giving and sharing with their friends. Sounds to me like you can do it too.

Give it a try and take the credit. All the best ((((hugs))))

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I do believe a lot of folks come into alanon feeling like they "have to" take care of others. Some of the message is that it is, indeed, a choice. So, if she felt she was in the relationship to "help" and more because she "had to" than "wanted to" then maybe she did get the message right. Dunno. It's sad but it was a direction she evidently needed to grow in. She needed more focus on self for now I guess. I would do my best to let it go. You don't want to be with anyone who feels they are with you out of obligation.

Also, I am a recovering alcoholic. It's not my significant other's job to teach me tools to not drink. I get that from AA. So I hear what you are saying about it not being enabling to help teach you cooking, but Alanon does teach them not to mess around with what we should (or should not) be learning in our own programs. Make sense? A sponsor or someone else in OA is the one to teach you how to follow your OA program if you look at it that way. It's easy to reduce it to "non-program" views and just say "I asked her to help me learn to cook like her and she wigged out"...that does make her just look like a (BLEEP).

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Hi, Tyrone. My own experience with Al-Anon is that there are no specific directions or advice given to anybody in creating their own boundaries in relationships specific to their own lives. Each of us are trusted enough to come up with our own boundaries and limits in relationship to others although we might ask for suggestions or listen to ways other people have created boundaries or dealt with a specific in a personal relationship.
As a recovering codependent myself, I probably wouldn't teach somebody to cook because it would feel like one more responsibility that I wouldn't want to take on while I figure out what I like to do just for me. If my loved ones weren't happy with my "no," I'd still say no to teaching them to cook because I simply don't want the added responsibility to add to my list. I'd trust there are others who can do that who might relish the opportunity to do this. Recovering codependents have often done more than their share of caregiving in relationships. They often have more than enough responsibility to deal with in their lives. What might seem or feel like a simple, easy thing to one person may feel like an imposition to an overburdened, newly blossoming codependent. They also need encouragement to learn new things and understanding when they want to let go of being overburdened with tasks and responsibilities.  Many need to know they  are loved for themselves and not for what they do.



-- Edited by grateful2be on Friday 1st of November 2013 05:28:38 PM

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Thanks so much for your input. It makes a lot of sense and I appreciate your thoughtful words. I agree she shouldn't be obligated and totally has/had the right to refuse. I guess one just has to decide if being with a person who looks at life that way is what we want to do. It's just sad because we had so much else going for us, I thought.



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Thank you for your reply. I have learned and it isn't that hard. I guess I just define "love" as wanting to be there for my partner, filling in the cracks for her when she faces a struggle or difficulty. I guess we all define it differently. Sad.



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Thanks for you thoughtful words. I believe I did "hear" her "NO;" it just made me sad and confused, I guess. Love means many different things to different people I guess. I cherish the moments I can help my partner or make her life easier, as long as it is working toward health and happiness. We just had a different definition of those things, apparently. Thanks and good luck.



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Thank you for your time and consideration. I appreciate your reply. I think you are right and I have asked for clarification and apologized for hurting her in any way, but she refused to communicate. I guess it just confuses me how close we can get to our partners and be blindsided by something like this. I was going to propose to her in a couple months and hopefully get married in the Spring. Life is so unpredictable. I can only hope there is a plan and this happened for a reason.



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Thanks for your thoughts. I appreciate it. It is hard to know what the right thing is for ourselves with kids and being divorced. It sounds like you are a thoughtful person who will undoubtedly do the "right" and healthy thing for yourself and kids. Good luck.



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Tyrone wrote:

Thanks for you thoughtful words. I believe I did "hear" her "NO;" it just made me sad and confused, I guess. Love means many different things to different people I guess. I cherish the moments I can help my partner or make her life easier, as long as it is working toward health and happiness. We just had a different definition of those things, apparently. Thanks and good luck.


I have found that in relationship between an addict and a non-addict there are often codependent behaviors going in both directions.  There is a fine line between helping and a very subtle underlying "giving to get".  I remind myself to check my motivations when I want to "help."  I have found this graphic to be very helpful in my recovery.  Best wishes to you on your journey, Tyrone.

 

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Sometimes it seems that obstacles would be able to be easily overcome, but- for whatever reason- they are not. This happens whether there is addiction, no addiction, alanon, no alaon... it just sometimes happens. We can't crawl inside someone else's head to know exactly the reasons, and, if we did, we may still not understand.

My last break up was returning from our first holiday, when like a switch was pulled and he became someone other than a kind, generous, and loving person. A man in his 50s, just hired as a VP of some large financial company- thought I was too selfish because I wanted to have my own towel, my own food plate from a salad bar, did not want to live out of my suitcase relegated to a corner on the floor while he spread his things over the hotel room- used the surfaces, luggage rack, drawers, and closets. He'd use or consume entire amounts of anything I purchased without sharing or replacing- water, snacks, toothpaste; when I addressed this with him, he could not understand that I purchased water and am thirsty because he drank it all - or wanted to brush my teeth with toothpaste and had none because he used the entire tube; or that I had no snacks for in between meals when I'm hungry and get grumpy- and he still felt entitled to consume my things indiscriminately. I finished the holiday hiding my clean towel, toothpaste, some snacks, and water. I boldly put my suitcase on the luggage rack, but lived out of it instead of unpacking and ignored his being upset over it- and he became sarcastic and condescending for the remainder of the trip. I could go on, but my point is that I cannot meet his definition of love or unselfish.

Wishing you the best in the healing process.



-- Edited by bud on Saturday 2nd of November 2013 12:04:13 PM



-- Edited by bud on Saturday 2nd of November 2013 12:04:54 PM

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Could it be that you are looking for someone or something to blame for the break up of your relationship? Alanon is about self improvement, deep self improvement maybe you were threatened by that. It could be that you need to look within yourself for the reasons why your relationship ended. In my experience when I look within I find the answers.

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Sometimes newcomers do misunderstand the programs messages, but then again, SO's often don't know us as well as they think they do. Often the person who is our qualifier has no idea what pain and overwhelm we have been going through because they either don't want to hear it, or it was easier just not to tell them.

I am wondering why you have been dabbling in OA instead of digging into the program to help yourself? If you are an overeater who needs to learn to make better choices, isn't your OA sponsor the one to go to? Learning to cook isn't the key here. Learning to make better choices about eating is. Your gf can probably see that and may not be confident that you do. If that's the case, she may have said no because she doesn't want to go through the pain of trying to help when she will not be able to let go of the outcome. She does not have unlimited strength and emotional energy to give you. If you crash and burn in this endeavor, it will hurt her to watch and be involved because she may feel responsible.

I may have already said too much and these are just guesses of course, but hopefully you get my point, which is to call your own sponsor. Your gf isn't able to give you what you think you need right now, so get it someone whose job it is to support you in this area of your life.

 

Best wishes in your recovery,



-- Edited by Jen on Sunday 3rd of November 2013 07:23:33 PM

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Thanks Jen,

I appreciate your honest thoughts and the time you took to deliver them. I'm glad program works for you and wish you much success and happiness in your future.

Bruce



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