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The self-loathing new husband


Hi.  First post, first realization of a problem in my marriage, first marriage, first experience with a possible alcoholic.

I'm 28 years old and have been married for just a little over a year.  My husband and I met and moved in quickly together, but we dated 4 years before we got engaged.  I apparently am blind.  Our dating years were joy-filled, youthful, and overall fun.  We live in New York and would go out almost every night, drinking and eating and performing.  Fairly normal behavior for young people in love.  He is a middle child and has always had self-proclaimed "low self-esteem".  He has helped me greatly over the years become a singer-songwriter and he himself is a brilliant artist.  He is supportive beyond belief in my career realm.

I started noticing behavioral changes when he drinks heavily a year ago.  He yelled at me, called me horrible names and punched a wall.  The next morning, when he awoke on the couch he had no idea how he got there.  Didn't remember any of it.  When I told him, he of course felt terrible and apologized saying he would quit the job that required his drinking that night.  He did.  However, we are both social drinkers, so he continued to drink when we went out with friends, or have a bourbon at home while watching a movie.  1-2 drinks a night is normal for both of us, I suppose.  

The other side of this backstory is his self-loathing behavior.  He is known to hit himself whenever he hurts me or fails at something.  He often ruins beautiful artpieces he creates.  He'll throw things at walls.  Call himself a failure.  Say he hates himself.  I'll try to be positive and physically intervene, but it hasn't stopped.  I've suggested counseling before, but to no avail.  

2 nights ago it all came to a head.  I had just finished a show and he arrived very drunk.  He was in great spirits and seemed very positive.  When I drove him home, 'xxxx' the fan.  I acted slightly annoyed at his drunken behavior, as one sober person would, and he lost it.  Screaming at me and saying what a jerk I was and how I'd never be anything if it weren't for him and calling me a  'xxxx' and many other obscene names.  He wouldn't stop for over 3 hours.  Even from the living room, he shouted insults at me.  Then, he began to violently hit himself in the face with a boot.  So badly, red marks were all over and he almost began to bleed.  I tried to grab his hands to stop him, but he shoved me away.  Then he would beat himself with his hands and punched my favorite painting of his, ruining it.  He then ran outside (its below 30 here) to sleep on the ground.  I tried to bring him inside to no avail, he continued verbally abusing me.  Finally, my roommate's boyfriend, an older gentleman who he respects, went out to bring him in and he stayed inside.  The next morning, he had abolustely no recollection of any of it.  I told him he had to get individual counseling, we were going to marriage counseling, and we needed to look into AA.  

He, of course, was deeply remourseful and apologetic.  In total shambles, really, at hurting me so much.  He admitted he had a drinking problem and would never drink again and would get the help he needed.  He also wrote me an email citing how he had been a horrible husband this past year.  I had a horrible realization while reading it.  This huge instance had been occuring on micro levels all year.  He would have a drink and then, somehow begin controlling me.  Criticising and nagging things I did, how I can make our marriage better, any positive reinforcement followed by a negative statement.  This has been happening to me all year.  I just thought he was somewhat cynical (he used to do stand up comedy), now I"m realizing his insecurities were pushed onto me.  I am 5'8'' and 115 pounds and he has gained 30 since we've been married.  I work full time and run a business, and I have no time to go to the gym.  He constantly hounds me to go because he "needs my support" and "won't go without me".  He seems incapable of doing anything on his own, he is very dependant on me, and controls me to make me dependant on him.  

This morning, he has been sober for 2 days.  We had a nice, healthy dinner together (which I made) last night and talked at length about our next steps and counseling and getting healthy for our marriage.  I thought it was a positive step.  He returned to our bedroom but we did not make love.  I thought using sex as some kind of "reward" would be negative, as he ALSO has a sex drive I am unable to compete with.  Often, I feel obligated to have sex with him or he gets in a bad mood and is mean.  As I'm typing this....I cannot believe I have put up with all of this.  I am being totally manipulated, aren't I?  

As a result of us not having sex, he woke up this morning as the person who hit himself with the boot.  But sober, so somewhat more frightening.  He walked around the house literally seething and blamed me for a) not being there for him and b) allowing him back in the bedroom when it was "too hard" for him to be there if I was still "punishing" him.  Friends, I am unable to argue with him.  I said I thought it was a positive step toward reconciliation and an act of showing him I WAS there for him by just being together in the same bed.  Again, I am not "helping" him and he feels he is on his own in this.  

What is my next step?  Do we have to not exist in the same house for awhile?  Does he have to leave?  He says he needs my help.  I don't know how to help him.  I am more than willing to not drink with him, I don't even care about drinking.  I want him to get better and I want to save my marriage, but apparently I am not equipped.  Do we go to counseling, AA, marriage therapy, and go through all of this together, or is it a "heal on your own" kind of situation?  Every time I make a suggestion, or try to be there, he says I need to "learn more about addiction" to make the right suggestion.  I'm also having a hard time believing he doesn't remember the other night because the face he had on this morning....the almost posessed face....it was the same as the other night.  And the cruelty was similar, he said HE is the one who needs help and that I have to forgive him quickly and stop "punishing him", so that I can give him the help he needs.  

I have never been in this situation before and need all the advice I can get.  Thank you for reading/listening.



-- Edited by canadianguy on Wednesday 5th of December 2012 04:46:41 PM

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Dear MsBlonde
 
Welcome to Miracles in Progress . I am glad that you spent the time to write out your thoughts, feelings, and experience for us. It is amazing how much insight I received when I did this, Your awareness and observations are filled with clarity and wisdom.
 
Alcoholism is a cunning, baffling and powerful disease. over which we are powerless. We who live with this disease some how loose ourselves , as you just discovered, and over look many of the red flags We also need a program of recovery.
 
Alanon is a fellowship of people who share their experience strength and hope in order to solve our common problems. There are many face to face meetings in NYC and help in finding them can be found by going to the following link:

http://www.al-anon.alateen.org/meetings/meeting.html

Keep coming back here, There is hope



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Great share and I am so glad you found us. It sounds like Al-anon face to face meetings would be a great place to start for you and keep coming back here for the supportive MIP family. I hope he is willing and able to get to A.A. meetings as well, but it is his choice as well as the counseling. So many wise people are on this board and I am sure will be coming with their great ESH. The book Getting Them Sober by Toby Rice Drews was a very insightful read as well and I suggest getting it. I am sending you love and support on your journey!

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It's eye opening to see it all typed out isn't it?

Welcome to MIP!

It's a little intimidating to think about going to a meeting. Don't let it keep you away. Also, if you don't feel comfortable at your first meeting, try another one, or give that one a second chance.

Before I even made it to a meeting I spent a lot of time searching different key words on this board, there is a search feature at the top of the page. I was trying to figure out what I was going to do. I wanted someone to tell me to just leave, but that is no one's decision but mine to make. That said if you are truly in danger, find a safe place where you are taken care of!

Getting them Sober is a good read. The other reads that have helped me over the past year have been One Day at a Time in Al-Anon and Courage to Change. I read them every day and whenever I have a situation going on I can flip to the back index and find an applicable topic and read.

You clearly don't need him, but you love him, and you are at the start of an amazing journey, with or without him, believe it or not.



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Hi,
We will never tell you to leave him because that is such a personal thing with lots more to know about than what we are able to know. But I will tell you to be careful around him because he already is violent, even if not towards you. This is a progressive disease and his violence may cause him to accidentally hit you instead of the wall or himself. And when they are in an alcoholic blackout, anything could happen and the next day he can honestly say he can't remember.

Please, please please find a face to face meeting to go to. If you live in the city there are loads of them around. Just check out the AlAnon website and put in your city name. And encourage your alcoholic hubby, AH, to get to AA. It is his choice if he wants to help himself, and your choice to help yourself. You can exist in the same house together, but it may not be very comfortable for you if he is manipulative and controlling.... and really crabby. Your call.

One thing we always say is to take care of yourself. You are the only one who can take care of you. You know he can't.

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Hi, and welcome to MIP - glad you found us....

Wow - a lot of stuff you are going through there, and certainly no simple & easy, nor black & white answers....

My experience is that counselling for couples - where one is an active alcoholic - is an exercise in futility....  his alcoholism dominates your issues, and couple's counselling is not typically a viable solution in that mess....

His other issues - which may or may not be related to his alcoholism, certainly add an additional layer of complexity...

I would echo what the others have stated - Al-Anon can definitely help YOU, and get your head around things.  I would also wary of the seemingly increasing violence - to both himself, and potentially towards you...... Keeping yourself safe is always the most important thing....

One great book recommendation would be "Getting Them Sober", volume one, written by Toby Rice Drews.

 

Wish I could offer you more, but please keep coming back - there are tons of great people on here who can help you muddle through all this stuff....

 

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Welcome - I have not posted in a long while but your post struck some chords with me. I too tend to do things to please my spouse because he's in a bad mood. Even when I do not want to. On my part, I guess it's a form of manipulation, in a way - like I'm trying to control his mood but in he process I let myself down and hurt me as well.

You are in the right place. Please keep coming back and sharing. This is a great place for discovery amongst people that really want to listen. This is a safe place.

Alexis

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This sounds like equal part mental illness and alcoholism. If someone is self injuring like that, you can call the police and they will be committed to the psych ward for three days. Hitting himself is violence and it could turn against you in a heart beat. He sounds unstable aside from the drinking. Alanon will help you build boundaries and reduce codependency. This is not something you guys should be undergoing as a couple. You have separate things to recover from. I would highly suggest him to see a counselor or psychiatrist too cuz self injury is a seriously disturbing behavior and it is even more disturbing because he is male and does it when angry. Both that and his drinking plus the blackouts are all way way more than you can handle without professional help fir him. Alanon will help.you though.

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I learned the hard way that there is no way to help him or make him stop drinking, he has to want to do it himself. Are you willing to live in fear until he does he hits bottom and realizes that he needs AA? Your situation is scary and unpredictable. I do think the man you love is still in there, but you may not see him for a while. Please go to Al Anon, it really helps. You have to take care of yourself first. You can't fix him, truly. Praying for you.

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