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a few things


went to a f2f meeting tonite. askedsomeone to be my temporary sponsor yeah....i have to call her tomorrow.... i am excited and scared at the same time, i have some pretty bad things i want to admit to and i dont know if it will be tomorrow that i will tell her but at least its a step. on the way home i told my husband tonight (he knows what i have to fess up to) that its something that has been on my mind for some time since i started step 4 and i am feeling really REALLY guilty about a few things i have done. and its something i dont feel i can ever forgive myself for. 
i also am beginning to think that besides my alcoholic husband, i might also have another qualifier in my life. i heard the term acoa i am thinking that it might be adult child of alcoholic but i could be wrong. i think am an adult child of an alcoholic but i dont know. there was always drinking as i grew up even before mydad died, but nothing that really affected me that i can remember. i remeber we would always have family over baseball games bbq's all that stuff. i remember me and a few cousins would say how we liked when our parents drank they were so nice we were aloud to do whatever we wanted but that is the only thing i can say about the time before my dad died. i can only remeber good times. but when he died my mom lost it. she became a drinker. we got split up. me my mom and brothers and gram. maybe it was too overwhelming for her i dont know. it took us years to get back under the same roof. by the time that happened i had so much rage and resentment for my mom. i have not started realizing all this maybe it was supressed from my memory until just recently when i started doing this moral inventory of myself.
i think what the problem for me is why im so needy and clingy and desperate to have a man in my life (maybe if it didnt work out with me and my h i wouldnt be desperate as im seeing clearly now) but i think its because i am tryi9ng to replace my dad, i never really got to have closure or grieve. i was put on valium when he died. i stayed at my uncles house maybe i was too much to handle, maybe my mom was overwhelmed or maybe i was mean. i dont know. she did tell me i blamed his death on her. maybe she didnt need me there giving her more shit to deal with.  i was always at an aunts house sleeping over i remember everyone would always say i didnt give them any trouble but to my mom i was trouble. i can remember having an attitude with my mom it was probably because our lives were ripped apart and she started dating my dads friend. i would find out in the middle of the night to see them on the couch kissing, and also my cousins would tell me they were holding hands in the store and all that shit. so it was like she was cheating on my dad, doing it secretly behind my back and i just had some anger and i was hurt and never really got to address it.
there are sooo many things i could say right now but the reason i came on here tonight is because i want to know if anyone thinks i qualify as an acoa. she turned into a drinker after dads death, also in middle school maybe even high school i would stay up waiting for her sometimes. sometimes she was around for long periods like sober periods. and i eventually moved out from there during high school. i didnt like our house and i was embarrased but now that i think about it, it might have been for lots of reasons. i lived with different uncles , aunts, boyfriends and their families, etc.... hopped from one to the next. just didnt wanna go back home. now me and my mom are fine. i can go there if i need to get away from here. the thing is she has bbqs and parties sometimes and when she does i dont really associate with anyone. i will sit in the house, hang out with my brother, isolate my self kinda. its not that my mom is much of a drinker well maybe she is. its not like she does it every day, she didnt drink when i had to go stay there last month. but when she does i dont like to be around her. i dont like to be around anyone really when there is drinking involved. it just turns me off and makes me uncomfortable. anyone please tell me am i an acoa? or since she doesnt drink like she used to i dont qualify? i dont like to be around her because when she does drink she brings up my unlce who died who she was close to, so was i i lived with him for a while, and she brings up my gram. who we just lost. i think if i qualify as an acoa it might bring up a whole nother phase of my recovery i gotta deal with.
man i have issues.
and the last thing i wanna say is i remember growing up people would say you cant love anyone else unless you really love yourself. it would go in one ear and out the other. man how true is that saying? if i loved myself and dealt with my problems back then who knows how life would have turned out? god knows i would not have had my eldesst  child, i would have ran and never looked back when i met her dad. which i s what i tried to do but he persisted and see waht happens. i dont regret having my daughter. not one bit. but i do regret how i handled and reacted to things and thats what im working on and  my attitude towards it all will change. one day at a time. thanks for listening. i know im a rambler. but i appreciate you guys   

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I found this when I was looking into this topic.  Also found out you can be a grandchild of an A with parents that don't drink but have the same ways of doing things for example perfectionism etc.

Here are some of the characteristics commomly shared by Adult Children of Alcoholics   (ACoA) /spouses/friends of alcoholics and other dysfunctional processes:


The following are some of the characteristics, agreed upon
by one Alanon-Acoa group, that result in problems in our lives.

a. We became isolated and afraid of people and authority figures;

b. We became approval seekers and lost our identity in the process;

c. We are frightened by angry people and any personal criticism;

d. We either become alcoholics, marry them, or both, or find another
   compulsive personality such as a workaholic to fulfill our sick
   abandonment needs;

e. We live life from the viewpoint of victims and are attracted by
   that weakness in our love and friendship relations;

f. We have an overdeveloped sense of responsibility and it is easier
   for us to be concerned with others rather than ourselves. This enables
   us not to look too closely at our faults, etc.

g. We get guilt feelings when we stand up for ourselves instead of
   giving in to others;

h. We became addicted to excitement;

i. We confuse love and pity and tend to "love" people we can "pity"
   and "rescue";

j. We have stuffed our feelings from our traumatic childhoods and have
   lost the ability to feel or express our feelings because it hurts
   so much; (DENIAL)

k. We judge ourselves harshly and have a very low sense of self-esteem;

l. We are dependent personalities who are terrified of abandonment and
   will do anything to hold on to a relationship in order not to experience
   painful abandonment feelings which we received from living
   with sick people who were never there emotionally for us;

m. Alcoholism is a family disease and we became para-alcoholics and took
   on the characteristics of that disease even though we did not pick up
   the drink;

n. Para-alcoholics are reactors rather than actors.



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thank you for this .  i guess i do have some of the characteristics listed. especially the one about doing anything to not have a relationship end.... as i lie in bed last night thinking of the post i wrote i said damn~ i forgot that i wanted to put down the thing about how hard i took the break ups in my life. most every time someone broke up with me i went overboard. it always felt like my dad died again. i have compared it to that many times. out loud. i wouldnt eat couldnt sleep all i did was cry. mostly every tme someone broke up with me. i think i took break ups harder than most normal people would. so thats a big one right there. and thats the reason i tried to find people with defects so they would put me up on a pedestal )hopefully and never want to let me go. but that didnt happen.  most of them took advantage of me treated me like crap and cheated emotionally or physically abused me which i think i was already emotionally abused thats why i did what i did.
i have always isolated my self. i am a home body. i still have to make myself go out side. and thats for the kids. i know i have a problem in this area too. the worse things got around here the more iwould isolate. and i grew up in my bedroom never really went out side like everyone else. but i have friends who i meet at parks with the kids, or we go alone. i ve gotten better but some days i just dont make it outside and i hate myself for that when it happens. i get too worked up on working on the inside of the house which i feel is a metaphor maybe or one of those technical words.... before i left my ah last month, i would  be obsessed. OBSESSED with the house the way the furniture was rearranged and all that. i would constantly think think thinkg .at first it was just because thats what i was sipposed to go to college for. interior design. so it was my hobby passion so i thought. until its all i could think about. people would come over and my little girls friends would come over and wanna go play in her room to find that i had switched her room once again. always changing the rooms around, furniture and all or changing the rooms alltogether. i think this is because i was always trying to get this homey feeling. like if everyone was comfortable and happy then it would all get better/ yuo know what would happen? i would finally get the house how i liked it and my ah would have an episode or black out and tear the house apart trash i t break things go through the cycle.... and i would be pissed and it would take days for me to even WANT to start making the house nice again. because when i did it would just get ruined again. but it didnt stop me from obsessing. until i left the last time and came back. i have no urge or desire to rearrange or new idea. i mean i do have some ideas but they arent my obsession or priority. my priorites are me and the kids. and if i wanna do a project on the house i can wait. lol my friends would always say at least my addiction isnt something that makes me a mean person lol
i have to get my daughter ready she is ready for school but i wold like to spend time before she has to go but i will be back so i can finish what i relate to on this list. if not for anyone else but me so i can look back  on it or maybe even show the woman i asked to sponsor me  thank!!! you ~~~~~

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yes another one i am or should i say DEfintinely ws a reactor my whole life. i have many regrets and amends i have to make. i just felt like my life was out of control and then when things werent going my way that was it. watch out. i really have to make amends. i feel i am more responsible for the way my daughter turned out even more so than i realized. even more than i have already admitted to. poor kid. i love her more than i love  myslef and if i could take it all back and start over i would in a heartbeat.
i know  i ramble alot on here. this is where i go to let it all out no matter how sporadic it is, just so i can get it out of my head and onto something tangible. i can remember times that we would go all the way to new jersey and they would drink and party and i hope to god that my mom didnt actually take us in the car after drinking . i HOPE she had the sense to let it get out of her system and thats why she would be dragging us out so late to drive back home. i can remeber quite a few times that happened/ i remember one night she had to pull over a few times so my uncle (my dads brother) could puke. what kind of life is that for your kids to deal with? i am getting a little pissed at my mom for shit we have gone through. yeah maybe we had some fun with my cousins while they drank or whatever. but it wasnt that great obviously because i only remember this crap. and then there were other times when we actually lived in the house together finally years after my dad died, where we would go to my aunts house (my dads sister) and they would just sit there and drink and drink and drink and smoke smoke smoke. the walls were yellow there i hated going there. they had a two room apartment. and me and my brothers would go out there. they would get drunk and buy us stuff from the store downstairs woohoo. do something productive with your kids. wtf. yeah im getting mad. i never put all this together before . and guess what? after drinking we would get in the car and go home. i really hope my mom didnt just drink and drive. she didnt have any dui or anything like that i can remember. so maybe she did have the sense to let it out of her system before we left these places. anyway back to the list.
    i guess i did become afraid of people. i became depressed and thought people were better than me in middle school. if i was late to a class i would skip it just because i didnt want people to look at me. yeah they hd things i didnt. the clothes and shoes and haircuts.... my mm did try to give me these things i will give her that. but i had low self esteem at this point.
my daughter has a problem with authority figures. i know this is supposed to be my moral inventory but this put a red flag up when i read it. she will attack authority figures. she doesnt listen to the rules.
and i have a problem with criticism, i take it to heart or get defensive and so does my daughter. even though i havent seen her in along time. these are her problems. she will act out when criticize and i guess i have been known to do the same just not to the extreme that she has.
i dont know if i am frightened by angry people. i do know i get pissed at my ha hubby when he gets his little pissy moods and everything is my fault. i immediatley have to defend myself and it takes alot for me to keep my mouth shut. its something i have to work on i admit that.
 ididnt become an alcoholic. i married one. and i have been known in the teen years to drink but ibelieve it was just to have fun and be promiscuos,. hey im just being honest here.
and yeah i did pick up some ocd things as i mentioned before. the trichotillamania. the having to do things a certain number of times or something would happen bad. the perfectionism that my hair had to be done perfectly i would sit in the bathroom for hours  and if my hair wasnt right i would go nuts.that in turn would make me late for everything and it would escalate from there. my house had to be clean before i left to go anywhere. i am still kind of like that now and im carrying it onto my kids so i try but somedays i cant get over it. we have to clean before we go out side, or anywhere. and we have a two story house and i hate it! some days are good though. but most days i have to clean befre leaving and i hate it. they always say the housework will be there later enjoy life now. these things always made me late and they still do. my friends know that i will say i will be there a certain time but expect me to be late. its aprocrastination thing where i should be getting ready  to do something but instead i clean and then get ready. i am getting better at it though. little by little.day by day. its an anxiety also that i feel like some one is going to come over the day i dont clean and feel like im a dirty person. it doesnt help that this house is from the 1800's and i made my husband move us in before it was renovated so we could save money. big mistake. there are still open walls and so much to be done. but whatever. back to the list. i dont let anyone come here. any friends i met them somewhere. im embarrassed of htis house.its not like the places i had before where i would get compliments of the furniture, decorations etc. no matter how much i do here it doesnt look anybetter. lolit needs renovations and no one is allowed here till its done . isolation some days. stress the others trying to meet people on time takes extra work to get out of the house.
yeah i am a victim but am beginning to see that i could have made better choices. so i have lived in the view point of victim. maybe even playing the game in the beginning to make people feel sorry for me, just as i did when my dad died.
i have been nosey and trying to help people just so i didnt have to deal with my own shit. but guess what i have to deal with the old stuff or at least acknowlege this so i can get to deal with me no matter how painful the stuff is i have to deal with
 i did get guilty feelings when i didnt give in to certain people but now i know how to say no and i will not be manipulated
i have supressed my feelings/ and its hard to speak or know where to begin because its been held in for so long. the anger and rage and sorrow and guilt are all coming at once
i do judge myslef harshly. and i have low self esteem sometimes. but i am learning to take care of myslef again thanks to alanon i take the time do take care of me and i love it
yup i guess i am an acoa. and the funny thing is i did my birth chart the other day (astology and its said i would begin to look at my mom differently and im like probably because of all this stuff ) i hope i dont hate my mom. i love her and think she should have made other decisions regarding the kids (me and my brothers) but hey you work with what you have in this life and i am sure she feels the same i do. she may say if she had to do it all over again she would have made different choices. i do remember one time she told me she didnt regret having us but if she could do it all over again she wouldnt have had us or something to that effect im older now so i can understand i guess with my dad passing away  and the struggle she had and i know its niot her fault how i am .today. i have issues. who doesnt? we all had child hoods and i am sure we didnt grow up like leave it to beaver, so things could have been much worse. its all coming out now and im learning to cope and deal and understand why i am who i am and why i have reacted to things the way i have and how i can change the way i act for the better of myself and my children. i have so much more i can write. but i wont the last thing io wlll say is that my grandmother most likely had some a parents biological or adoptive i dont know she didnt and wouldnt talk about her childhood. knew she had a few sister but she would give us info on that either. but i am asssuming from the scar on her neck and the burn she had that alcohol or worse abuse was involved so she loved how she knew how, and the routne continued/ im glad im here and involved in alanon. i beleive the alcohol disease is running on both sides of my parents families for some time. im GLAD AND GRATEFul for alanon and you guys and now i will call my temporary sponspor while the baby is asleep still/ its funny my one day at a time today says not to remember that the bad times but to remember the good. but then i looked up step four and read all the pages on that. its all been bad memories, havent been able to do the good yet. i do know im a good person with good intentions and want to better myself. its work work work and im ready willing and eagerr to ddo it. one day at a time!!thanks for listening  

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Doesn't really matter whether WE think you qualify as acoa, anyway.  If material directed at acoas helps you, then it is for you. Simple as that.  It seems pretty clear that your upbringing has affected you (whose didn't, eh?) and you have issues that alanon can help you work on.  One alanon  book that you might find of special interest is "From  Survival to Recovery" - that one is mostly full of stories of those who grew up in alcoholic (or otherwise non-supportive) homes.

It's so good to see you really working on your own end of the problem - yes, sometimes it is nice to have this place to come to to bitch about the A, but really, what we are here for is to work on our own stuff. Good for you.

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thanks you guys.. i appreciate the support and feedback ;)
i have slacked off or took it easy for a couple days on looking back into my childhood and enjoyed a few days in the here and now. when im ready to get back into the delving i will, right now i am getting ready to take the kids to see my mom~we usually go out once a week and she hasnt seen them for a little more than that. she bought some MORE school supplies for my daughter.... wants to see the video of her first day getting on the bus.....
i do have to admit that since these things i have been pulling out of my memory i feel a little wierd to be around her. i dont like this feeling i have for her right now. after i started my soul searching or step 4, i havent really called unless i had to or felt like returning her call which was days later.... and when i did talk to her, she was normal i guess, until she started asking about my ah and having doubt in him like is he going to his meetings? i told her yeah and he was sober for a month just this past monday and she was like well i think it should be longer than that , like he must have slpped up( he didnt) thats how long its been .... and then she said something to the effect of him "going to a meeting" so he could drink. i dont know i blocked that out and got offended. didnt let it show just said he is doing fine, and things are good.                                                                                                               i know she is my mom and before alanon i used to call her (i actually used to hold it in until things got too much for me around here)  and tell her the crap and she was always there for me, always will be..... but now that i am remembering all this stuff i kind of feel wierd and i am not going to bring up the past. what good is it going to do? but cause drama which i dont want! its not going to solve anything. i also have this feeling which i hate-like im trying to just keep the peace and at the same time im hurt and upset and ashamed  . thats the feelng. ASHAMED and GUILTY for having these feelings and if i did address them that i would be shunned or told off. thats the feeling i have. and i know i have had it before when i was younger because its an all too familar feeling that i dont wanna feel.
well im going to get the kids ready now so im sure it will be fine, since she love love loves the kids and she loves me too i know. i think she knows how it was in the past and maybe tries to do better through the kids? who knows. 
im glad to be able and come here and let it all out, and the words to express my feelings are able to come out too. i used to never be able to do that and to come here with no guilt about how i feel or fear of being told off about bringing old stuff up feels so good. i dont have to go to my mom and make a crisis. its all in the past and im ready to move on into the future,. now if i had been raped or violently or physically abused i would definetly feel the need to address the past but i think she did the best she could with what she had or knew and maybe she didnt have the best coping skills either. thats been passed onto me but i love the tools here they are WONDERFUL! A GOD SEND!!!!! 
bye talk later thanks for listening!biggrin      

-- Edited by frazzled at 08:03, 2007-09-13

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