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Relapse


(((Friends)))

Wanted to share from the open AA meeting AH and I went to last night.  The topic was Relapse.  I guess the burning concern was whether or not relapse is a part of recovery or not.  Some had shared recently that they had had dreams of their loved one's relapsing me, included.  It was interesting to hear that some of the members last night also have nightmares of relapsing too.  Relapsing is such a fear in the recovering A.  I took two messages from last night's meeting.  1. Relapse happens when an A stops working the program, stops going to meetings, just gives up.  The urge to use becomes deeper and deeper and some make a conscious choice to go back out and drink or use.  By that statement and that choice, relapse then becomes part of that person's recovery process, leaving them with a big lesson learned.  The other message I heard from many members last night is that relapse is not a part of recovery because a person has to make a conscious decision to go back out and use.  The message I heard was that some felt that the statement that relapse was part of recovery could be misconstrued as a "loop hole" in the program that gives people "permission" to go back out and use again.  Some had said that even intertaining the thought of going back out is such a risk to their health, their families health and livelyhood that they would never take that chance. 

One had said that if your done being a drunk and addict and you want help there is help in the rooms of AA/NA, but relapsing is not an option. 

It was refreshing to hear the differing opinions and to hear that the fears and nightmares occur for the A too, I don't know why I thought that would not be the case for an A, but those who are serious about recovery I can see now how that would be a fear.  Just wanted to share this and get some feedback on how others in Alanon feel about this issue.

Peace to you all,
Twinmom~

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I have to admit, at a meeting with my AH's detox/21-day rehab counselor last fall, I was pissed off when she said "relapse is part of recovery." As you put it, it seems to give them a loophole to use again, and just say it's part of recovery. But with my AH it certainly has been the case!

On the other hand, I have an alcoholic brother who's been sober almost 20 years ago, and he hasn't relapsed once. He said he couldn't imagine going back into a meeting and starting at the first 24 hours again.

So I guess it depends on the A, and when they're ready to quit....

Linda




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As long as relapse remains a fear, or something that I have nightmares about (which is about twice a year), I figure that is all pretty healthy stuff.  If relapse becomes a fantasy, or a daydream - that's when I need to turn it over.

I don't believe relapse is part of recovery, but it is part of the disease.  Calling it part of recovery is tantamount to inserting it into the steps... 1.. 2.. 3... 3 and a half... 3 and 3/4... relapse. 

I've heard many stories of people who relapsed after a period of sobriety, and it was something they learned from, and then they started their program anew and became stronger in recovery.  Then again, I know people who have been coming around AA way longer than me, who were there at my first meeting, who today can't string together a week.

There is no human power that can stop a person from drinking if they have made up their mind to do it.  Alcoholics are always living with one foot in yesterday and one foot in tomorrow.  If I'm not focusing on today, my brain may tell me tales of the past, reminiscing on the "fun" part of my drinking, and my brain at the same time starts planning a relapse.  This is not a game I want to play, because to play it is to lose it.

My sponsor used to say "quit thinking about it!"  And of course I thought that was impossible - until I was driving down the road one day, about 5-6 weeks sober, and the thought popped into my head of getting a 12 pack from one of my regular sources.  I wanted to keep on the AA path, but I had barely gotten my feet wet.  Old thinking kicked in, and it seemed that everything hung in the balance for a minute.  I don't know how close I was to pulling off at the exit for that convenience store... I guess I never will know.  I remembered what those silly people had said at those meetings... don't fight, you'll lose.  Turn it over to your higher power.  I didn't know how to do that so I laughed out loud and said something like "God, if you're there... yeah right... take this thought of drinking away". 

I arrived home about 45 minues later, and it was probably 7-8 hours later that night I remembered the "event" on the highway.  I had not had another thought about the 12-pack and had even forgotten about asking God to take it away.

These instances happen all the time, but they are very small.  They happen when I am alone (which is how I did most of my drinking) and when I have wandered a little off the path.  Turning it over is not totally instinctive, but I think it is automatic 98% of the time.  Because I used to have several incidents per day of thinking about drinking, even a little.  I probably still do, but mostly I don't even remember them, or dismissing them.

Every once in a while, a beer commercial looks good.  Or I'll have a memory or some other thought "wouldn't it be nice".  These thoughts remind me what I am.  If my disease isn't right over my shoulder, occasionally tapping me to remind me what I am, then it's up ahead in the bushes waiting to ambush.  I keep the lights on.  I like to keep my disease out in the open - that means I go to meetings and I introduce myself as an alcoholic. 

My recovery, and this gift of sobriety do not have room for denial; if I deny my disease then I am denying my sobriey as well.  I'll take the sobriety, and I'll be an alcoholic for the rest of my life.  Pretty fair deal to me.

Barisax

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((((((((((TM)))))))),

Interesting points you've made.  My AH labels himself as a "chronic relapser" when he speaks at AA meetings.  One huge point he made was that as much as he "wanted sobriety" he wasn't "ready for sobriety".  There's a huge difference in those two.  Relapsing for him is no longer an option.  If he relapses he dies.  Now he does what he has to do in order to stay sober.  But even now he still labels himself as a chronic relapser.  It's a way to keep himself on the straight and narrow.  He also no longer counts the days.  Instead we quietly celebrated his one year.  When he use to count he use to get cocky. 

I love going to open AA meetings.  They helped me so much in understanding the addict's side of this disease.  Good for you.

Love and blessings to you and your family.

Live strong,
Karilynn & Pipers Kitty smile


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Thank-you Barisax! I always love reading your point of view. I think it helps me understand my A a lot better. I have never been to a meeting, and would love to go, but my A would never understand why. He has remained sober for 8 months without a program, and I know, would never go to AA!
I come here when he's not around. Maybe he's ok on his own, but I know I would never have gotten to where I am today without this board! ;/'\

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