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I think I ruined recovery for him


Wow I had no idea how long this would get. If you wnt the cliff notes version, I highlighted in bold.

This is something that has weighed on my mind from the beginning.
He was clean for 10+ years when we met. Ampetamines were more of an issue for him.
He left a long term relationship to be with me. He was with her before they got clean. She was five yearsl older than him and he is 17 years older than me.
He was active in the program and had alot of friends. Went to meetings almost every night. I had something of an addiction problem when me met, but  cleaned up real nice when we got together.
It didn't take long for me to get pregnant.
I didn't fit in with his friends. Alot of them were friends with his ex and didn't like what he did to her. Also, there was this recovery way of thinking and talking that I wasn't accustomed to. I would just smile and say nothing for hours. In addition, alot of his friends were single guys that kept thier distance once I became pregnant (careful, I hear it's contagious). Let's face it, I didn't like going to meetings. I wanted him to go without me but he wanted to be with me all the time.
Untill the baby was born.
He would work all day, come home for a half hour, leave for a meeting and be gone untill late. Oftentimes I would be making this gormet dinner and I would hear him say "I'm going to a meeting" and he'd be gone. After a while I realized he was intentionally slipping out the door so there would be no discussion. I told him I'd like to know ahead of time. All theese conversations about me being alone with the baby and no break, no help, no company, just yadayadayada. He started saying I never "let him" go to meetings.
I was very jealous. I felt like I was just this lame little girl and he had left a great woman and he was dissappointed, and that he would figure out he made a mistake. She ws still inlove with him and would meet sometimes. I found notes from her hidden in the car. Also, there were other young women he had dated were at the meetings. I became a little obsessed.
He started taking pain medication. After about a year. He has a bad back, but avoided taking medication. I didn't like it. It was upposed to be a short term thing, he had strained his back and it hurt more than normal. It's been about 9 years. I've tried so hard to get him to quit the pain medication.
He started taking my pain medication. When I got my wisdom teeth pulled. He was after those pills ever time I turned around. I came home with the prescription and went to sleep. He took them before I did even, from my purse. He would be sneaky and decietful about it, a side of him I hadn't seen before. I knew it was bad and I was over my head, I didn't know what to do.
He was diagnosed with cancer. Eight years ago. A slowgrowing brain tumor. He's had two surgeries and radiation therapy. He hasn't worked regularly since. He had always been a little grumpy, but this is where he started to get mean. Sleep all day and watch TV all night. A little obsessed with pornography. Generally some very negative behavior surfaced.
I was very dependant on him. We had a few fights and I could never get away. I couldn't drive, didn't have any friends or any money. I started working bu couldn't earn very much money. He still had alot of responsibility on him.
We drank wine at a resteraunt. Occaisionally (like two or three times) he would order me a drink on the rare event that we were out without the kids. One time he ordered a bottle of fine wine, I had one glass, he had two. We took the bottle home. It stayed in the cupboard for about a month before we drank the rest.
He started buying wine and bringing it home. We both drank it, but he drank more. He said it helped him relax because he gets tense. It was true. I preferred he came home and had wine instead of yelling at us. It helped him sleep. The kids couldn't understand why there as alcohol in the house. I ensured them it was alright, that people could drink a little bit.
We were bored and went to the liquor store. This was my great idea. He likes White Russions, I like Harvey Wallbangers. He did not handle hard alcohol very well, he would get wasted and stumble around the house naked, slurring incoherently and making a big ass out of himslef. I had to carry him around and trick him into bed. Not a pretty sight. He also got stingey, becoming annoyed and resenting me if I drank some, accusing me of drinking more hat i did. He started hiding it, sneaking out to drink and stuff like that. I started pouring it out, marking bottles, stuff like that. Told him I din't want it around.
He started buying beer. This was his great solution to the problem he had of walking around the house on his lips. I would have a beer every now and then, but it's not really my thing. He'll start early and end late. Sometimes he's dopey, sometmes he's rowdy. We've had too many bad episodes to list here. I decided I had had enough and stopped drinking about a month ago.
Here we are now.
I know I "didn't cause it" but I'm not sure I really believe that. I'm his wife and the mother of his kids. He was doing so good before he met me. He was successful, he had a good woman, he was health. Now he's just a sack of dung that doesn't even work and he starts drinking at noon. I'm so ashamed to reach out to his family, they will say I'm not a good wife for him. His sister has died of alcohol related illness and he has alot of the same problems she did. She was the only one who understood what he is like, the rest of them are very judgemental and bias.

Geeze I guess I had to get that out. OK back to another day of working on me. By the way the weather here is awesome.
Jamie



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(((((((jamie)))))))

  i had a hard time understanding that i didn't cause it. i have since learned that i can contribute to it. my ex and i have 3 kids together and any one or all three could also have this disease. they are young so i don't know. but i know i would never make them be alcoholic. i would not be the cause of a disease. if i was the cause then i could be the cure. and i have tried everything in my power (and somethings that weren't) to cure my ex and be a happy, healthy family. your husband was an alcoholic before he met you. just because he was doing meetings and working a program does not mean that he was well or healthy or right. he was still an alcoholic and no matter how long an alcoholic is in recovery they are still an alcoholic. they are never cured. there is no way you can make his cancer go away. you can't control his disease. if you could he wouldn't be sick. so, all you can do is take care of you and your kids. just keep comming, it has made a tremendous difference in my life.

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((Jamie)),
so you think you ruined his recovery?? ok lets look at that -
so you have the power to make him start taking pain meds, stop going to meetings, start drinking wine, then beer, you feel like you made him do all these things?? well then make him stop. 

sorry - know that may be a little harsh, but some times we really have to look at the blunt reality that we are powerless over alcohol & alcoholics.  yes, we can contribute to the craziness in an alcoholic situation but we are not powerful to make another person do something they really don't want to do.  Did you make him steal your medication?  Did you pour the wine down his throat?

Oh sweetie, please know these things are said with love & understanding from a woman who thought it was all my fault for almost 40 yrs - from my dad's drinking to my AH's drinking & drug use; part of our disease wants us to take the blame for their actions - our recovery shows us a better, truer way.  Their addiction is an external cure for an internal problem (spiritual or emotional) - it's not about us. 

please keep working on loving yourself - you are a special person & I'm glad you are here with us.
peace,
Rita

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RainyJamie wrote:
This is something that has weighed on my mind from the beginning.
He was clean for 10+ years when we met. Ampetamines were more of an issue for him.
He left a long term relationship to be with me. He was with her before they got clean. She was five yearsl older than him and he is 17 years older than me.
He was active in the program and had alot of friends. Went to meetings almost every night. I had something of an addiction problem when me met, but  cleaned up real nice when we got together.

As you read this know that it is said with love...as blunt as it may be.
I was going to highlight all of you're he's but it was too daunting of a feat!   The only 'real' statement I saw was your last statement in the above quote. "I had something of an addiction problem when we met, but then cleaned up real nice when we got together."  That's the only thing you need to be concerned about!!...you gave one small sentence on your stuff and then this huge post on all of his stuff!!  Oh and did you notice that you called him a "sack of dung"? 

It looks like you have a new addiction to deal with...your addiction to him.   

-- Edited by Moon at 15:07, 2007-01-30

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Jamie.... I hope some of our recovering A's post replies on this thread as well, but you cannot have the power to "cause" his drinking, nor to "cause" his sobriety.  I was at an open AA & Al-Anon Convention one time, where an A, with over 20 years of sobriety under his belt, said the following to the crowd:

"I can divulge the secret to staying sober, so please pay attention........  If you don't drink, you can't get drunk".  Period.

Those words hit home to me, as I was always, up until that point, taking responsibility, in one way or the other, for my A's drinking and/or mood swings, etc....  Even if you were the worst wife/person in the world (which you are NOT), you cannot cause him to drink.

Step One reminds us that we are powerless, and that has meanings both ways..... we can't make somebody drunk, nor can we make somebody sober.

Take care
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So, let's accept, for the sake of argument, that life with you is the kind of life where it is easier to slide back into using.  How did he get into this life with you? Did you kidnap him and keep him chained in the basement?  He's a big boy, and he knew what he was.  He made choices that he knew were dangerous, and they bit him on the ass.  I suspect that in one way or another, he is helping you feel responsible for his relapse, even if he doesn't come right out and say it.  If he's been in the program himself for years, he knows what he needs to do, he just doesn't want to do it, because it's hard. Much easier to blame you for it all.  If your own drinking is a problem, then work on it - you're a big girl, too.


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You are right Jamie, you did not cause it. good for you having a month not using. Are you going to AA?

I hope you continue to stay sober and hopefully get a program going. You need you and your kids need you.

maybe just focus on what you believe, not what others do. He is using becuz he has a horrible disease.
Keep coming back. love,debilyn

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Aloha RainyJamie!!

Your post and the reactions ooops responses you got from the family are awesome.  You're loved and not alone as you can see.  Your Alcoholic/Addict hit more than a few buttons on this board as you can also see from the responses.  I've got nothing new to add because what has been said here to you in love and care is what was given to me when I got into program with the same ideas that you posted here.

I was told once that if I read my story as if I was someone else how would it sound to me and I tried that.  When I did that once it made me very angry at my alcoholic for being irresponsible and myself for being overly responsible.  I didn't know who I was madder at from time to time.

If your alcoholic/addict has been in the program for any length of time you are off the hook because he knows the truth about himself and the disease.  He already has his story and maybe he has found someone he can work his magic on and the one he can't work his magic on is no longer his spouse.  Sometimes that is the way it has worked.

You got some great suggestions on this forum.  I hope you find the courage to follow thru on them.  (((((hugs)))))

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I'm just so glad you found MIP!  so glad your here.  Alanon is a great program.  its about finding what works to keep your focus on your own peace of mind.  and as long as you have and work your program... then you can keep your focus on and about taking care of You!   Take care of You.  Be Gentle with You.   let HP/God have those things that you did not cause, can not control, and can not cure!  "One Day at a Time"  I turn it over to my Higher Power.  I turn my AH over to my Higher Power to look after and to take care of.   I no longer blame myself for what another person (my AH) decides to do. the A is very aware that his decisions are his own. He's a grown adult.  He's always..... always done what he has decided to do.   I understand that living with an alcoholic or drug addict can be a very lonely way to live. but....  it doesnt have to be that way.  Learning healthy ways to detach with love are there within the Alanon program (for you ~ for me) to practice.   its the "one day at a time"  kind of practice.    Fake it till' You make it.   It does get easier , it does get better.   Let your decisions be your own.  Keep your focus on You  (and your childs future.)  (((rainyjamie)))

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Hi, thanks alot for your posts and sharing your thoughts. Since I posted this, I've been thinking about it alot and I understand what is being said.

Fisrt of all, I didn't cause it, but I contributed to it, and I guess that's what has me feeling guilty. He has liver damage and should not be drinking at all. I have tried so hard to talk about this with him. I feel like if he dies, well, couldn't I have done something? But I did, I am.

Also, someone (Moon) said " It looks like you have a new addiction to deal with...your addiction to him." Reading the timeline I wrote myself opened my eyes a little because I realized that the problem was there before drinking, or medication, or cancer. I was put in a position where I played this...unhappy mother who had to monitor and reprimand his behavior. Ick! But it's true. Sometimes he says my name the exact same was a snotty teen would. "I'm listening MOTH-ER!" I didn't ask to be in that position and I don't like it, but I have been obsessed with his behavior for years. I've been getting better lately, but still have a hard time. I mean, he goes to the store almost everynight. He comes up with some excuse to leave the house and is gone for several hours. I spend almost the whole time glued to the window looking for his car and when he comes home I am either too pissed to talk or I play nice and try to figure out where he's been. This goes on almost everynight, for about as long as I can remember! I don't want to be this way. I don't want to have to stop him from doing things that he should not do.

Well, I'm getting all worked up again so I should take a break, but also feel a little funny about typing all that stuff about him and calling him a sack of dung. Even though he does resemble one at times. It must have been stressful for him too, to have a family. He never talked about it much but it shows in his hostility and apathy. I wish I could get him to a meeting. I almost tricked him into going to one, but was afraid it wouldn't work out well.



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Tricking him in to a meeting isn't going to work either.  As Lebe's post says up further.  Trying to get him to quit drinking is the same as him trying to get you to quit mothering.  It's an inside job.

Christy 

 

 



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Christy wrote:

Tricking him in to a meeting isn't going to work either.  As Lebe's post says up further.  Trying to get him to quit drinking is the same as him trying to get you to quit mothering.  It's an inside job.

Christy 





Love this...because it's sooooo true.

Jamie, trust me when I say that I understand the 'waiting by the window for the headlights of his car'  In college I use to stay up late just in case he called from the bar needing a ride home.  And then I would be pissed at him because I had to go pick him up!  My motto was "Look at me, I'm a good catch  I don't do this or that or the other and look at him, look what he does, he does this, that and the other!"  I liked pointing out how wrong he was, because then I could look right!!  And don't we all want to be right?

wishing you ((((hugs)))) and the miracles of recovery. 




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