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I'm Sorry???


So I have been very distant with my AH the last couple weeks.  When he drinks and says rude things to me he never apologizes and like I have said before I have built a wall.  Anyhow, today he texts me asking me what he has done?  I told him that I have been quiet because I don't want to argue and that the things that he has said I have not forgotten, yes, forgiven, not because he has said I am sorry but because I know it's what I need to do.  So what's he do he brings up all these things he hasn't "forgotten".  I just don't understand why he asks me a question, I answer and then he has to have the upper?  He hasn't drank in 3 days which has been nice but I think he thinks when he doesn't drink everyday that he's not an A!  Is this all part of the A's game?  especially the upper part?  I am just feeling so many emotions with this right now that I needed to get this out.  I am lost, I know I cant do anything to help, except help myself, and I know that my life is so unmanageable right now that I just wanna lie down and cry.  Problem, I don't like to cry and I don't like anyone, especially him see me cry.  I am too strong for all that!  Why do they do these things?



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Big Hugs Confused,

My experience with this kind of situation is yes .. my XAH needed to be able to say see I'm really not an alcoholic because I can stop. Unfortunately that is not how alcoholism works. I would encourage you to learn what you can about the disease itself. I believe there is a sticky about Alcoholism being a disease and how it works there are some really good books out there about alcoholism and what it does to the brain. Under the Influence is a great book of knowledge and stages of alcoholism and the behavior that can be pretty universal. I subscribe to the thought that addiction comes with a universal language .. the phrasing, manipulation is so common. I think that's one of the reasons Alanon is such a great platform because no you aren't crazy (you are hearing and seeing what you see) and while the stories may differ the underlying emotions are so similar.

When one thing doesn't work my XAH will try a different tactic .. I just go along with it and try to ignore as much as possible .. it's not always easy and it creates a lot of frustration because I constantly have to remind myself that I'm not dealing with a rational person and when I don't take care of me it makes me just as irrational as him. So I encourage you to be gentle with yourself practice some self care and it doesn't need to cost money. It's really the little things that make the huge difference.

These are all things though I have learned in Alanon and putting these things into practical practice .. sometimes it's just not expecting an alcoholic to give me what I'm seeking emotionally (in my case financially .. lol) like he should .. I avoid a lot of inner frustration on my own. My thought process is distorted when I expect someone else to give me what they can't do for themselves. One of the slogans is and I'm paraphrasing to how I think of it .. Stop going to the hardware store trying to buy a loaf of bread .. it ain't there and if you do find it .. it's gross .. filled with sawdust and other things you really don't want.

Hugs keep coming back and it takes time ... I didn't get here overnight it is going to take longer to get better. The insanity of living with active alcoholism is great on both sides and all I can do is get healthy for myself.



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Ty Serenity...
I have thought this over in my head so many times but I don't know how I'd handle it. I do love him and no matter what I will care about him. I want him to get sober for him and my kids whether we stay together or not. But the thought of not being with him scares me, because I do care/love but I also know that we both deserve to be happy and right now neither of us obviously are. It's just so hard and I feel like my life keeps falling apart

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I'm not saying you need to leave to get healthy .. getting healthy will help your kids, you and even him .. he's going to do what he's going to do .. you don't need to go down with him as well. Love doesn't hurt.

Alanon says no big decisions for the first 6 months. So you don't have to make any decisions today just take care of yourself .. your children will thank you for it.

Hugs S :)

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I didn't take it as you suggesting I should leave those are just my feelings.

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LOL .. well I wanted to be sure I didn't convey that in the least because it's such a personal private choice and it is not one answer fits all.

Big hugs I understand so much of how hurt and confusing this all is especially during the early days of questioning why is this happening and the only answer I finally came to is because he's an alcoholic and I'm not ok.

S :)

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Confused!! welcome to the drama club the crazy making work shop and listen and learn to what the fellowship tells you in their stories.   One of the things I learned about me was that when I got into those "discussions" with my alcoholic/addict wife I was setting myself up for failure.  She was the most "itchy" sick person on the planet next to me and what I told her in sincerity was not taken that way.  She was taking it as if I was blaming and in defense she had to act in kind and so she did like you mentioned it came out for you.  It is crazy making and sick and I never won or found my way out of it for good reasons.  My sponsor taught me that I was getting a "fishing lesson" only I was the fish and what she was dangling before me was the bait.  I loved the bait because I saw it as a process for us to discuss and get closer together...NOT!!   She was giving me opportunity to oppose and her the opportunity to practice her own opposing.    I found out that other then gender and age she and I were alike and so I stopped taking the bait.  I would remind myself of what I was learning about the cunning, powerful and baffling nature of "OUR" disease and learned to ask clarifying questions just so I would get my motives right and my responses not blaming and personal.   I was teaching her QTIP will practicing it myself.   We are sick people as a mind set was important for me and for us because both she and I were deeply affected by the disease none less than the other.  I learned to walk on eggshells and that kept me from reacting and thinking  before I participated while asking for direction on how I should.  The disease will set you up...it did me...because each and every time I thought I saw the picture I got it wrong because I forgot the who, what, when, where and why of Alcoholism...our disease isn't so much a disease of 'BAD', it is a disease of "SICK" and you have to admit it really feels Sick all the time.

I learned how to ask my wife questions before, during and after the discussion and to ask the questions in non-threatening ways and I practiced, practiced, practiced that procedure cause it works.  The question "what have I done" is a set up question if he is not willing to listen with humility and understanding.  It's bait for an argument one of those "what about you" arguments and no body wins those.

Keep coming back ((((hugs)))) smile



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Hello Confused,

I'm sorry you are going through this - its tough and so counter intuitive!

Your post reminds me of a quote that quite comes to mind when my husband and I are talking. A man called Alan Watts said 'oh no, don't you start one-upping me with your misery.' My husband can always trump any niggles that I might care to mention! What I'm trying to say is that I've experienced the same thing and it is deeply frustrating! We turn to our loved ones for support and, dang, one-upped once again! Why do they do these things? God knows, it is really not our problem to figure it out. Sometimes being strong means letting those problems sail past us. It is the hardest thing I've ever tried to do, but but for me it got easier the more I learnt to enjoy my life regardless.

Sending you (((((hugs))))))

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(((Confused))) - so sorry for this - I do believe that it's a part of the disease. My qualifiers can justify and/or rationalize any/all words, actions, choices and behaviors. Watching with program eyes from the outside, I see this for what it is - the disease and it's affect on a lovely person with a broken moral compass.

I am grateful for my sponsor who became my 'trusted ear' for my fears, my sadness, my concerns, etc. She brought me through most of it with a program solution and/or a spiritual tether. I had to set aside that which I wanted (close relationship with my qualifier(s)) and instead take my emotional issues and emotional recovery to trusted friends and my sponsor.

I love that Jerry mentioned QTIP. That slogan and so many others have been game-changers for me. I can walk by faith and know that all will be OK if I just use my program, steps and HP.

Hang in there. In time, these events will be different because you will be different. I too don't like to cry in front of others, and rarely do so. I do know now that if I need to, I can and I've got safe places to be 'me' and I will not be judged or belittled.

(((huge hugs))) - keep working on you and this will pass!

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Confused, Alcoholics thrive on chaos and drama, that is why

there is Al-Anon.  When he texts, calls, act rude and mean, it

is up to you to diffuse the situation and detach with love and

empathy.  Realize that you cannot control, cure or change the

AH, rely on your HP for peace and guidance and detach from

the words and chaos.  

Are you working the 12-steps and going to f2f meetings?

Because this will put you on the right road, away from the

depression you are experiencing.



-- Edited by Debb on Tuesday 25th of August 2015 04:56:10 PM

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What does QTIP stand for? Do the A do these things on purpose or what? I just don't get it. He was nvr like this. No f2f yet. I haven't been able to find time. I try to understand the steps and working them online but it's confusing to me. I need to figure out how to get to meetings, I really need them. I appreciate everyone's support. Thank you

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QTIP = Quit Taking It Personally ....   smile

Works very well, when we understand that the Alcoholic's

words are not meant for us, but are a symptom of the

disease.



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That alcoholism has a life of its own. The disease always wants to protect itself. As long as he can paint you in a negative light, it deflects from his disease and the need for him to get sober. The projecting, deflecting, and contemptuous blaming are indeed alcoholic behaviors. You can learn detachment in alanon. You can say things like "you asked what was going on with me. I told you. I am not arguing or listening to your retaliation in the form of assassinating my character. This conversation is done." Then it helps to literally hang up or leave the room. You do not need to attend every argument you are invited to with him. His disease want arguments so he has more excuses to drink.

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Confused -

If you are struggling to find local F2F (face to face meetings), you can attend here - there are 2 meetings each day...the schedule is at the top left and the link to the meeting/chat room is there too!

The online meetings here are awesome! If you sign in and nobody is there, just hang tight - someone always joins.....Hope this helps (hth)...

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Hi iamhere, just wandering how the time difference in the UK will affect the meeting times here on MIP so I can access them if need be please? I do attend f2f meetings whilst at home but I have a holiday home and can't get to meetings whilst I'm here so I think these will be extemely helpful to me in the future! Thank you in advance 😄

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Hey millop - I believe the UK time is 5 hours ahead of the meeting time. So, the 8am meeting listed would be @ 1pm your time and the 8pm meeting would be @ 1am.

Perhaps another who attends from UK can confirm I am correct, but I think that's how the time zones transition for you!

HTH!

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I have been coming to the online chats which have been very helpful to me. I know there are meetings around me, its just finding the time to get to one. I have 5 kids and I'm don't want to tell my AH that I am attending so I want to try to find one I can get to so he doesn't know. I know that is bad but for now that's what is best for me. I enjoy the online but I really want to get a sponsor and meet others in my area that are going through the same things as I am. Again, I have really appreciated everyone's kind words and helpfulness. Thank you.

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Confused, I hope you are able to get to a f2f meeting. Whether you tell your AH or not is up to you, there isn't a rule about it, some folks aren't comfortable with ever telling their A, some are, it just depends on you and your circumstance. You will meet a body of individuals much like this board that will be able to understand your situation and help you with it like nobody else can.

Kenny

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Also, for Millop, the meetings are at 9 AM Eastern time, which is 14:00 or 2 PM in UK.

Iamhere, I see you are in Kansas, which is 8 AM Central time.

Also, note that on Sundays they are an hour later, so 1500 or 3 PM in UK.

Kenny

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Thanks Kenny.....I figured I had not gotten that right, but was not able to decipher it on my own!!!

Appreciate the clarification and the right info!

Just ask Jerry - me and time zones don't compute!!! LOL!

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Practice the PAUSE...Pause before judging.  Pause before assuming.  Pause before accusing.  Pause whenever you are about to react harshly and you will avoid doing and saying things you will later regret.  ~~~~  Lori Deschene

 

 

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