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Aging and loss


I notice as I grow older, I lose all the various support persons I have had in my life.  As I told my daughter this week, it feels like my whole life is falling apart.  I've lost my Dad and 3 persons who were my main go to people at various times in my life and me for them in less than a year.  Many of the plans I'd made for retirement can't be carried out because these folks died.  The most recent death was one of the saddest for me because life had separated us in different ways and I'd lost proximity to her because I lived where I do and she lived where she did.  It was my intention, once I knew that I would not be able to care for my Dad in Assisted Living that I would be able to go and spend more time with her in her new nursing home that I last knew about.  I had tried to phone her at different times in the past year or so and also sent her cards but hadn't gone to see her in the last place I knew her to be in because Dad's AL facility was miles away from hers.  I only had so much time to devote and had to choose which person I could spend the time with.

Finally, I recognized that I had the time and energy to go and visit her and spend time with her.  I called her CP #, the one she liked me to call and the message was that she was not accepting calls at this time.  I called the last place she had been staying to leave a message for her that I would be travelling to spend time with her in the next few days.  They told me she'd been discharged and they didn't know where she was.  I check obits on a hunch and found her.  My heart stopped.  My friend, the mother I had who could do what my mother couldn't do when I was a young Mom myself and a bosom buddy to me for more than 33 years died almost a year ago and I didn't know it.  The knowledge cut like a knife because I would have been there or think I would have been there to at least honor her and bless her children at the funeral with all the ways I knew their Mom and what she had done with me and for me and my children and many other people.

Facts were, I didn't know.  I was grieving as if she had died the day I found her obit.  And remembering back to this same time last year, I might not  have been truly able to be there because of the other priorities in my life at that time.  I shared my friend's death with my daughter and I shared about her death with a friend who is in her 80s who I have joked with at times about she and her husband needing to set up an office in a local funeral home because they are there so much.  My friend shared with me that it will keep on coming and that many more will die at a quicker rate as I continue to age.  She helped me remember that today really is all that we have to celebrate our lives and the lives of our loved ones.  Tomorrow doesn't always come.  The past is over.  If I think I'll be kinder tomorrow, I'm fooling myself.  If I think I'll do something I want to do - tomorrow - I'm robbing myself.  If I don't make the most of being present to a person in love and understanding when I'm with them because there is plenty of time to get to that, I'm missing the only time I might have with that person, NOW.

My second Mom was a woman with flaws just like the rest of us; she was also a woman with a huge heart who was beat up as a child by her brothers and not supported by her Mom who blamed my friend for the abuse.  What my friend did was to forgive herself, her family members, her husband who died at 38 of kidney failure leaving her to raise their two young children on a secretary's wage and to do her best to be a mentor and a nurturer for both men and women.  If she got mad at anybody her way to handle it was to "kill them with kindness."  She was also the only person I can remember back then who was honest enough with me to say the hard things that I might not like to hear and helped me trust her, too.  She didn't come out of right field with her honesty that was hard for me to hear - she spent a long time working an developing a friendship between us first and then zoned in on my defects bleh.  I really didn't like her when I first met her because she poked at every defect I had just by being herself and wouldn't buy any excuse I would make for why I wouldn't do something to help myself through some pretty difficult situations. But life kept bringing us together and I would find her to be one of the most nurturing but also honest women I could be blessed to know.  I knew that if I asked her an honest question about her experience of me, she would give me an honest although sometimes a risky for her reply.  She loved me that much.  To risk herself in telling me what she saw that wasn't all that great if I asked and sometimes when I didn't ask, too. 

I am grateful to her for being herself and for loving me.  I can hear her now as I say to her humbly how much I regret not being able or choosing to be with someone else rather than her before, during or after her death:  "Don't be an a**.  Get out there and do for another what you would have liked to do for me." 



-- Edited by grateful2be on Sunday 14th of September 2014 10:37:23 AM



-- Edited by grateful2be on Sunday 14th of September 2014 11:17:35 AM

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I'm so sorry. What a shock. Thanks for the share and the reminder for the rest of us though. She knows how much you loved her so honor her memory by taking that last bit of advice that you know she would have given you.

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I am doing that and thanks for reading my thread, womfi: For some reason, when a loved one dies who was close to me, I feel the need to honor them by sharing about them publicly in some way and the lessons their lives taught me about living and being. I guess for me, it is a way of celebrating their legacy to me and to others.

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I think that's a lovely way to honor people who have touched your life and pay forward some of the gifts they gave to you.
(((Catherine)))

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If my friend could read this and speak she would say: "I did thaatttttt??? Oh, I didn't realize I did that." And she'd grin in a way that would make her blue eyes sparkle - openly pleased with herself. I always loved that about her. She wasn't falsely modest. She'd openly applaud her achievements and her successes and did the same for others. She didn't believe in hiding her light or others under a basket. And people were drawn to her like a moth to a lightbulb.  But she never burned them.  She'd hug them.  Just like you do, Mel.



-- Edited by grateful2be on Sunday 14th of September 2014 12:20:55 PM

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For some reason I was taking it as becoming lonely with the loss and not a honor to sharing their lives. I was wrong....you are doing well. You are a good and loving friend to many and to honor them as you do makes me think about myself and my lack of closeness to others.

Thank you my friend for your share because it might just help me in ways no one will never understand.

(((( hugs )))

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It is both, Cathy.  Honoring both the sadness and missing her and sharing her legacy with others.  What you saw is true and there was more that I was given an opportunity to share by all who read this and responded.  Hollywood and other "in the public eye" people don't impress me much, but ordinary people who have blessed my life like my friend "CB" did and do.  They are the people who matter to me.  (((hugs to all)))



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I'm so sorry for your loss Grateful.

I think that it is beautiful to share stories, I'm imagining our MIP family around a camp fire, sharing our learning and laughing and honouring those that that we have learnt from earlier. I'm sorry that life, and then death, kept you apart from someone, but I doubt that you were ever very separate, I think that perhaps this lady resides in you.

I know that cutting knife edge of discovering a loss too long after the event, I'm sorry you've had that experience so soon after your father passed away. When my godmother died I had not seen her for a year and I learnt too late that she had developed cancer and had died alone. Yet she had been a constant in my life. She had known my mother since they were five and four years old respectively. She was a beautifully kind and also glamorous lady (her cornflower blue suitcase matched her giggling eyes (and also ninety percent of her wardrobe!)). Like you I had imagined helping my godmother and having an opportunity to return the kindnesses that she had given me as I grew up. I have felt guilty about not visiting again in that final year but I also recognise that this very special lady chose her own path as well - she never wanted to be a burden and would, I think, prefer to be remembered for the light in her eyes and the good times that we had.

It seems that the laughter and chatter of our friends continues to grow, and yet we can, and do, still share it with them when we tell each other our stories.

Sending loving ((((((hugs))))))) to you, soul sister.

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I learn most with lives and stories shared that are true and not fiction. It looks as if what is true for me is also true of you? I loved your description of your godmother and her love of cornflower blue. I image a slender woman in a field of flowers that set her eyes and her outfits off like blue, blue skies accented by fluffy, white clouds. I guess we're in each others' lives to tend to each other and maybe my friend and your godmother were sent to us to teach us a little more about the way to live life in communion with others? They couldn't teach us everything and yet where would we have been without them and the lessons and modeling that they shared.

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My mother and godmother grew up in the Slad Valley at the time that Laurie Lee writes about in his book Cider with Rosie. Your image of them is so similar to mine since I know that as children they wandered the fields and hedgerows checking the flowers to see which new blossoms had arrived since the day before. Yes, they taught us well and also left a few things uncovered so that we could make our own discoveries as well.

Thank you for sharing your memories with us Grateful. I hope, like me, you are sitting with them in comfort and love.

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Yes, I am. I am a woman who appreciates the gifts women bring to life. What you've shared here has added to their beauty and their strength. Cider with Rosie is a new title to me as is the author. Is it fiction or non-fiction?

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I am so sorry for your loss.
And I am so glad for you and for her that you had each other in your lives.
I think the fact that you were nurtured by her may have a lot to do with the loving person you are with us.
You are a beautiful living legacy to her, and I am sure she is well-pleased with you.

And thank you for sharing about her. People like her need to be spoken of and remembered. When I read on here about people who have missed out on mothering, I always think, I hope you find a mother figure of your choosing. It will mean so much to both of you. I got to do the mothering part for a young friend, and it was an honor and a privilege.

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Oh, Temple. I so agree with your wisdom and with your prayer. I pray it, too. I have been blessed with so many healthy female friends and mentors in my lifetime and I so appreciate each and every one of them. Your young friend was and is blessed with you, too. I once felt so bad that I couldn't return to "CB" all that she gave to me in love with no strings attached and said so to a confidante who knew us both. She said: "Don't sell yourself short. She is receiving something, too, or she wouldn't be so close to you." We give to give and we receive so much more. We give to get and we wind up feeling short-changed. It sounds like you know the secret of giving and I'll bet your young friend will continue to be blessed by all that you gave to her and might still give to her now?

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Sorry for your loss :( I loved your tribute to this woman who made such a difference in your life.

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Thank you, PC.  She was a big woman with a deep, firm voice.  She was nothing to look at according to our world's standards but when I looked at her she was one of the most beautiful people I knew.  She never had a penny to her name.  No matter where we went together and I'm not exaggerating - somebody knew her or somebody reached out to her like they had always known her and felt safe with her or loved her and who she was to them.  There was a time when a gal was more than mean to CB and CB wasn't a person who exaggerated facts.  She said to me in an evil, deep, firm voice:  "I'll show her."  I waited for the ugly revenge her tone seemed to imply she was pondering - ready to talk her down if necessary.  "I'm going to send her a vase of some of her favorite flowers.  That gal needs a healthy dose of unconditional love."  Yup!  That was her idea of revenge.  What a marvel she is and was.  Not perfect, mind you.  But perfect for me.  She was my first experience of having a friend so close that we could both lie on separate couches at night after putting my kids to bed.  Her with her can of nuts.  Me with whatever was my snack or not at the time.  Neither of us speaking - just watching Classics that she loved.  Then one of us would fall asleep and one of us would be softly snoring.  Intimacy is so much more than sex was something she taught me.  And putting on airs with each other only got in the way.  I loved her and I love all she was to me and to life.  We didn't compete with each other.  We just were there with and for each other as travelers on the road back home to the God we each believed in together.



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I have a lump in my throat and tears...big sigh. I sure know how you feel. No one told me my own daddy died. My adopted mom died too.

One friend I do go to more now, but I have to be careful as she does not understand depression. I cannot go to my son, he cannot handle me being upset.

I know how lonely you feel. Part of retiring is we lose all those people we were around!!

YES it is hard to be older. Just is. I wish I could build a country community on my property just for animal lover and garden loving people. Each have our own space and a common room with kitchen!

I often wonder about the senior center here.

What are you doing for you? Could you go sit in a rehab for elders and talk to people? I like to do that. Some like you to eat with them too. I know that giving makes me forget the pain I am in and I don't miss my loved ones so much who have passed.

Do you have neighbors to check on you to say hi?

Well all I know for sure is you are a very special loving person. I am sooooo glad you are here on MIP! I feel like you are my service partner here! My deputy, lol hugs honey. debilyn



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Beautiful tribute grateful. I carry three people with me always
My great grandmother,grandmother and my oldest brother. They
Reside in my heart and soul to give me strength and unconditional
Love. The woman were inspirations to me and shining examples
Of goodness and love. My brother always took care of us because
We had no real loving parenting. He took on the job of caregiving
For us older children.

Grateful you are so full of wisdom and i am so glad you are here for us.



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So sorry for your loss. I was just telling somebody today that the older I get, the more often I have to go to the funeral home. In the past 2 weeks I have had to go 5 times. Lots of friends have passed away.

I loved how you handled it.

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(((Debilyn, Mirandac, afglin))) One thing the pain helps us all learn as we say goodbye one by one to the cherished people who have touched our hearts and been flowers in the gardens of our lives is that we did our part - we loved them and let them love us. I don't think any of the folks we have come closest to can ever be replaced in our hearts and minds by any other person - the empty spaces their passing leaves there can stay open to let God come in - whomever God is to us - and carry us on tenderly while we put salve on the open wounds and become more and more mindful of how fragile life is and we are, too. Being vulnerable as you are all being vulnerable now keeps my heart open and unwilling to close up in stone against another hit from what is true in life. Our loved ones do die and they do move on. But, we are never truly alone. You are my sisters and I haven't ever even seen your faces. I don't need to - I see your hearts. That is enough for me. And Debilyn - wouldn't that be a joyous celebration if some or all of us could be there for that meet and greet we've talked about? I'll bring the coconut whatever it is you need for your non-dairy ice cream and maybe you'll teach me how to hug a pig? I have been inviting some of my more senior than me friends for supper and meeting new people in new classes, too. I know those who have gone before me would not want me to be swept up in grieving their going. But, I still think it is important to share it with others who have also experienced losses and feel them deeply, too, and learned lessons about being human and loving, too. Blessings all.

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Your story about her sending a vase of flowers to someone who was mean...
I love it.
Daughter and I were treated very, very rudely by a waitress one day and after an awful lunch my daughter marched over to the "comments" box and spent some time angrily writing on a piece of paper. I asked her to show me before she put her angry complaint in the box for the manager to see. She hadn't written anything, she had simply drawn a really pretty flower.
I thought that was pretty cool.
I love hearing about your friend, she sounds like she was a wonderful person to know.

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I love the story about your daughter and I think she learned that from her Mom, Mel. I don't see in any of your shares a person who "gets revenge" in any active way at all. You might tell a story or two and then you're looking to understand the other. That' one of the things we are urged to do on our Just for Today card - to seek to understand rather than being understood. Of course, sometimes, we can carry that "understanding of others" to an extreme by forgetting to understand ourselves first like I did for many years, but that is such a whole better approach to relationships than seeking revenge and carrying it out in one way or another. Yup! I'd say your daughter in this regard is an apple that hasn't fallen too far from that beautiful apple tree called her Mum and our Mel.

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You're a darling, you see nice things in me I never knew were there before
(((Catherine)))


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Aging has some beauty in it too. I find it strange that I used to be scared of older persons (minus my grandparents), yet now, having lived a lot longer, I see older persons as the winners in life on the whole. None of us gets off super easy in life. Older persons have stories, wisdom, perspective. Sometimes I look back on relationships I had in my 20s...I was so clueless. 42 feels so much better than 20 something. My friend that died this January very suddenly and tragically at age 46 also helped me to remember to enjoy each day because getting older is a blessing that not everyone is afforded.

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That's why we're here, sister, to see in one another what we can't always see by ourselves. You're a kind soul, Melly, and not mean spirited at all. Those truths about you I hope you will always nurture and keep safe from the cold winds that do blow around us at times. You refuse to let bitterness and rage squash that which is part of what makes you, you and helps many of us love you and cheer you on.



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Catherine, so many losses this year, I am sorry.  You have handled them with grace, love and humilty....

 



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Loved the candid post, PC. I would see you as a person who can see beyond the looks or age of someone into their deeper realities. I know CB would have "eaten you up" as some say in Grandma land. She would have loved you because of what an open mind and heart you have and she would have probably chided you from time to time as she did me.  You'd probably see it to be love and wisdom speaking because you would know you were safe in her presence and you'd be grateful for the guidance because you'd know it was about you and for you and had nothing to do with her.

Thank you, Paula, and you have helped me through so many losses in ways that will always keep me very grateful to you.



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Lovely tribute Catherine,
I am glad that you shared your tribute and grief here. It is a special family.

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smileThank you, Betty.  Yes, we are a special family, aren't we?  So much in common and so much to share about our journeys together.  Glad to see you back on the board! 



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Catherine,

I've had a few experiences that are similar going on down here. About three weeks ago, three friends' fathers had died, all within a couple of weeks of each other. All died in their 80s or 90s, basically of old age, no stroke heart attack, cancer, etc. I came to a realization that there is that time in your life when all your similarly-aged friends start getting married, get a dog, have kids; but nobody warned me there would be a time when all my friends (and someday me of course) parents will die.

Reading your post made me realize that of course it's just another part of the cycle, there's also that time when many of your friends die. I'm just now hitting that, had a good friend die last year of sudden massive heart attack at 48. He was a genius on the piano, and had many addictions when he was younger, but came to be born again in his 40s. The last couple years he had become more and more emotionally not sober, but I had no idea what that meant or was, just that he was getting "flakey". A lot of his friends stopped talking to him, the band that I was in with him broke up. By the time I realized what was going on with him, (due to my recently acquired firsthand experience with addiction) and that I didn't have to take his new-found flakiness personally, he died. I wish I had one more afternoon with him so I could talk to him and just enjoy and be with him.

How wonderful that you had such a friend to help you grow into adulthood. My wife has told me a number of years that I need a mentor, and I am actively looking for a sponsor now. It truly is amazing the people that HP will put in our path, sometimes even force into our path. I'm glad you seem to have gotten so much from her and can give so much back in this community and others.

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(((K))) I hope you find a mentor, too. I've been blessed in my lifetime with so many strong women who have supported, mentored and educated me. There are men out there who can be wonderful mentors, too, for other men. I'll be praying for you, brother, and trusting that if it is your HP's will for you to have a mentor (or if you're stubborn like me, many mentors) to walk with you and love you as my mentors have companioned and loved me, too. So many friends' losing parents so close together is a grim reminder that our lives are precious and each moment counts, isn't it? It is good they lived as long as they did and that just makes it that much harder for their kids - grown or not - to let go if they enjoyed a close relationship to their Dads. They're lucky to have you as a friend. (Oh, and by the way - forgive this plug - there are so many boys and girls who don't have a Dad to guide or encourage them. Women often step up to the plate of their lives but not men so much. I can see it all now - you, your son and a little boy together taking turns in the kayak.  Oh!  I don't really mean the forgive me on this one.biggrin)



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I am so sorry for your loss Grateful.  It must have been a shock and I can imagine that the grief would have been intense and right in that moment.  Thank you for sharing w us and reminding us to live in the present and be grateful for everyone around us.

((((Grateful))))

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Thank you, Mary. I'm grateful for her together with I'm sure so many other people she mothered or grandmothered in powerful yet nurturing ways. She wasn't simpering sweet (she had a teenage son over 6'2" who learned not to challenge her) but she was the real deal - love in motion.

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I am so sorry about your loss, Grateful. I firmly believe that God knows what we need when we need it. You said you had a lot on your plate a year ago when your friend died. My feelings are that God knew this and knew you did not need anything else added to what you were dealing with at that time, so He spared you that hurt until you were better emotionally able to handle it. Living in the present is the best piece of advice anyone could have.

I pray you find peace with it.



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aww   Thank you, Cloudy Skies.



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